View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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  • The Right to Discriminate

    38 33.04%
  • Freedom From Discrimination

    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Sure, who cares when it's a cupcake. But what about when it's electricity?
    Why would it be different for electricity? The service still requires property and labor that is not your own to be provided.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's not what you were disputing. What you said was that it was in their interest to sell it, which is true. But that has nothing to do with the fact that they own the gas that they bought.
    The point is that money goes back to the gas company. The owner only makes a small profit on it. It's not their gas.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    But we should let the little things slide, to make the racists happy... right? A tiny bit of economic race warfare intent to create a second class never hurt anyone, right?
    There are legitimate uses for government force, and it should be restrained to those cases. There's nothing that says you have to let it slide. You have very effective consumer power and can exercise that to elicit changes.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Oh, no one is arguing you cannot argue a thing, I'm just pointing out that your argument is....wrong.
    the court is wrong..why.

    13th amendment-Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

    discrimination is not a crime.

    a judge can only order a person to serve another person if a crime has been committed and person convicted.

    you will find that administrative law was used in these cases, ..they are not criminal cases.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    The point is that money goes back to the gas company. The owner only makes a small profit on it. It's not their gas.
    It's their gas once they buy it.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    All the way to the SCOTUS.
    Sure, lets see if they twist the commerce clause and fourteenth amendment again, while ignoring the thirteenth amendment. That was fun the first time around.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    yes, force can be used when a right is violated, or the heath and safety of the public is at risk.

    feelings however are not a rights violation, or public health or safety risk.

    a person cannot violate constitutional law....only governments can, a person commits a crime.

    a rights violation against another person is a crime, a discrimination case is administrative law, not criminal law.

    you can be ordered to serve another person by a judge, but you must be convicted of a crime...that is the only way.
    The point here is that this goes beyond feelings. Thus has been demonstrated several times.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There are legitimate uses for government force, and it should be restrained to those cases. There's nothing that says you have to let it slide. You have very effective consumer power and can exercise that to elicit changes.
    No, no, you're right. This isn't about principles and equal protection. This is about allowing at least a little bit of economic race warfare, since that doesn't really hurt. Some fraud, some aggression... those are libertarian principles after all.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And let me know if your survival ever comes down to a cupcake and that you have no other alternative than that one shop.
    Oh, please. We're not just talking frickin cupcakes

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Oh, please. We're not just talking frickin cupcakes
    Which is why your generalizations into overarching government force fail.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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