View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    38 33.04%
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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Indeed it is, the rights of the individual must be upheld else we lose the Republic. Grandiose use of government force against individuals not violating rights is a great way to endorse tyranny over a people.
    ...but their rights are being violated when a person refuses to make a transaction with them because they deem them less worthy. That is tyranny my friend and was once done to a whole oppressed group of people throughout history.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If you can prove a rights violation, you can argue for force. But it's a case by case basis. Just because denying emergency care would infringe upon the rights of the individual doesn't mean that being denied a cupcake does.
    Hey, I have Henrin in here who wants to deny all services including medical if he wants to.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    ...but their rights are being violated when a person refuses to make a transaction with them because they deem them less worthy. That is tyranny my friend and was once done to a whole oppressed group of people throughout history.
    What rights have been violated?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Hey, I have Henrin in here who wants to deny all services including medical if he wants to.
    There may be people who make that claim, I cannot speak for everyone nor do I claim to. I speak for myself, and myself alone. This is my philosophy, my political platform, my ideals, my opinion. Everyone is free to have and profess their own, and I am not responsible for the opinions of others.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    in my mind that would depend, goes not selling them gas, cause them physical harm, put them in danger, cause lost of life?

    these things have to be considered.

    example: a private hospital cannot refuse service, because it could cause lost of life, harm to a person....these are part of health and safety to the public.
    Right, and protected by the 'force' of government.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Right, and protected by the 'force' of government.
    Government force is not universally unjust.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, public ownership would mean that the public had authority over another's property and labor and may direct it. Which is what you're advocating.

    Really, you need to at least understand that which you are advocating.
    Authority should not be given to a merchant either. If one wants to sell to the public, then sell to the public. It's not at all a hard concept.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Authority should not be given to a merchant either. If one wants to sell to the public, then sell to the public. It's not at all a hard concept.
    How far are you willing to take this statement?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They are more than free to disagree, and as I have stated before it is in the general interest of a business to do commerce. But it's still their gas. So moving goal posts doesn't really do anything here.
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    The justices left in place a unanimous state Supreme Court ruling last year that said Elane Photography violated New Mexico's Human Rights Act by refusing to photograph the same-sex ceremony "in the same way as if it had refused to photograph a wedding between people of different races."

    Tobias Barrington Wolff, a University of Pennsylvania law professor representing the couple, said "no court in the United States has ever found that a business selling commercial services to the general public has a First Amendment right to turn away customers on a discriminatory basis.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    can you explain how I am making you subservient to me.....since you came to me, your own my property, your wanting something from me....and you have the ability to walk out of by business at any time.
    You are making someone subservient simply by denying them from making a transaction. If someone runs out of gas and is willing to pay you for gas so they can make it home and you deny them based on race you have made them subservient.

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