View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    38 33.04%
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    77 66.96%
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Thread: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, they are advocating ownership of another's property and labor. Equal protection is already there, the rights of the individual are upheld. If the denial of service violates rights, force can be used. But not all denial of service violates rights and when it doesn't, it's game on.
    Yes, equal protection is already there and needed as seen by some attitudes.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You know the road that leads to the business? You didn't build that.
    Sure didn't, but sure as hell paid for it. By that logic, my own house would be "public sphere" because it's on a road. But it's not, so we know that argument is crap. What else you got? Fire Department? Police? Also paid for by taxes, public is not providing anything more than the individual has already bought.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Yes, equal protection is already there and needed as seen by some attitudes.
    Indeed it is, the rights of the individual must be upheld else we lose the Republic. Grandiose use of government force against individuals not violating rights is a great way to endorse tyranny over a people.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What harm am I causing by denying them service again? Btw, if it was legal and I knew someone supported anti-discrimination laws I would charge them triple for everything in my store. Why? Because I don't like them and I will be damned if they get anything from me for cheap.
    What harm? People need services to live in our society and we mostly depend on purchasing them. People could be denied all kinds of necessary services if we allowed discrimination.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    What harm? People need services to live in our society and we mostly depend on purchasing them. People could be denied all kinds of necessary services if we allowed discrimination.
    If you can prove a rights violation, you can argue for force. But it's a case by case basis. Just because denying emergency care would infringe upon the rights of the individual doesn't mean that being denied a cupcake does.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    So, if someone runs out of gas next to your gas station and you deny them gas because you don't like their race, should they be concerned because they are offended or because they need to get home and want to purchase the gas you sell? If you just want to offend someone wear an offensive shirt but not selling them the gas is unethical to trade.
    in my mind that would depend, goes not selling them gas, cause them physical harm, put them in danger, cause lost of life?

    these things have to be considered.

    example: a private hospital cannot refuse service, because it could cause lost of life, harm to a person....these are part of health and safety to the public.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Should of, would of, could of. None of which are proper basis for law. Violation of rights is proper basis for law. One has no obligation to sell goods to anyone, even if they have a shop. Of course to remain a business, it is in your interest to sell goods and services, but there's no obligation to do so.
    Any kind of business one does is an obligation they make. If one decides to serve the public, then their obligation is to serve the public.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, you are advocating merchants be slaves to others and not be able to decide on which transactions they consent to or not.
    To sell goods to the public is being a slave?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Any kind of business one does is an obligation they make. If one decides to serve the public, then their obligation is to serve the public.
    A private business owner is not a public servant. They are not obligated to serve the public at large. When you sign a lease, it comes with no obligation to serve everybody. It comes with the obligation to pay your lease.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    To sell goods to the public is being a slave?
    If you assume ownership of their property and labor, yes. Because that means they do not own their property and labor, not in full at least.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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