View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    38 33.04%
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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    No, I didn't say government should tell you what to drink, eat or smoke.....I just said that if you make an obligation to sell goods/services to the public then you should treat the public as equals. Not really such a hard concept.
    obligation?......I am only bound when I make contract.

    rights come before anything......the bill of rights came after the constitution, and it stated government would make no laws infringing on the rights of people..one right being property... mentioned twice in the constitution.

    government has no authority by constitutional law, to make a law abolishing my right to property in any way.

    in fact the congress according to constitutional law, has no authority period on state or private property, per article 1 section 8 clause 17, and the convention notes, on that clause ..dated sept 5 1787.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    No, people are advocating equal protection in the public sphere.
    No, they are advocating ownership of another's property and labor. Equal protection is already there, the rights of the individual are upheld. If the denial of service violates rights, force can be used. But not all denial of service violates rights and when it doesn't, it's game on.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    I am not advocating anyone be discriminated against..to me, its a abomination......however as someone who follows constitutional law...I have by my principles when it comes to rights , that I stand by all people's rights...not by people being offended.
    So, if someone runs out of gas next to your gas station and you deny them gas because you don't like their race, should they be concerned because they are offended or because they need to get home and want to purchase the gas you sell? If you just want to offend someone wear an offensive shirt but not selling them the gas is unethical to trade.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    obligation?......I am only bound when I make contract.
    You made a contract when you chose to utilize public resources in the commission of business that you voluntarily declared open to the public.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You made a contract when you chose to utilize public resources in the commission of business that you voluntarily declared open to the public.
    What public resources? Did the public buy the building? Does the public pay the property taxes? Does the public pay for the utilities?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, they are advocating ownership of another's property and labor.
    Not at all. People are advocating equal protection in the public sphere.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's a hard position to take since it means arguing for actions you may dislike quite a lot. But IMO it's proper because it's the only way to maintain freedom.
    with liberty comes many things a person does not like.....

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What public resources? Did the public buy the building? Does the public pay the property taxes? Does the public pay for the utilities?
    You know the road that leads to the business? You didn't build that.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Um, that can be debated. If you own a gas station, do you own the gas in the ground? The bottle water that Poland Spring markets?
    The tanks in a gas stations are filled with gas that was bought by the gas station owners, so yes, that gas is the property of the owners of the gas station. How did you think the gas station acquired the gas exactly?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You made a contract when you chose to utilize public resources in the commission of business that you voluntarily declared open to the public.
    how did I do that...I obtain a tax i.d. number for tax purposes.

    I get regulated by government to see if I maintain health and safety standards, ..when did I contract, to not be rude or offend?

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