View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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  • The Right to Discriminate

    38 33.04%
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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    that's true you have a right to commerce....however you have no right, to exercise that right through me.
    Then it sounds like a throw back to living in a feudal system.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I didn't consent to engage in trade with them. Both parties need to consent to engage in trade.
    No, if you are selling goods to the public you don't get to decide who is worthy of your business.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    That is exactly what discrimination is though. It is based on emotions.
    that's true, it is based on emotion, that's why it an unconstitutional law.....because it does not protect the rights of people, its government dictating behavior for business owners, which the government has no authority to do...government is not a moral entity.

    to tell us how to behave, what to drink, eat, smoke, or who to sleep with.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    No, if you are selling goods to the public you don't get to decide who is worthy of your business.
    Sorry, but I still have the right. The government can't remove my rights.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Then it sounds like a throw back to living in a feudal system.

    if you had a right, to make me do something........then I would be subservient to you.....that is close to being a slave, and an unconstitutional act.

    there are no rights , which lay a cost or burden on another citizen.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    that's true, it is based on emotion, that's why it an unconstitutional law.....because it does not protect the rights of people, its government dictating behavior for business owners, which the government has no authority to do...government is not a moral entity.

    to tell us how to behave, what to drink, eat, smoke, or who to sleep with.
    No, I didn't say government should tell you what to drink, eat or smoke.....I just said that if you make an obligation to sell goods/services to the public then you should treat the public as equals. Not really such a hard concept.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    No, I didn't say government should tell you what to drink, eat or smoke.....I just said that if you make an obligation to sell goods/services to the public then you should treat the public as equals. Not really such a hard concept.
    Maybe I want to run a business and not a club. Ever think of that?

    Maybe I'm forced to sign the damn business license because otherwise the government won't allow me to use my property as a business.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    No I'm not accusing you personally of doing so. You have clearly stated that you would feel justified only in either patronizing or boycotting the bigoted shopkeeper, not in violating his body or property in order to coerce some desired behavior.

    So my question is: Why? Why do you feel you don't have the right to violate his body or property in order to coerce him into doing business with redheads?
    It's not anyone elses' property, so where is the validation for that force? If the denial of service directly violates the rights of another, then there is argument for force. But if not, then there's really not.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    I am not advocating anyone be discriminated against..to me, its a abomination......however as someone who follows constitutional law...I have by my principles when it comes to rights , that I stand by all people's rights...not by people being offended.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Sorry, but I still have the right. The government can't remove my rights.
    You don't have the right to harm someone. You also don't have the right to discriminate against someone if you are selling goods to the public. Pretty darn simple.

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