View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    38 33.04%
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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry no.... everything about you is property.

    James Madison, Property
    29 Mar. 1792Papers 14:266--68
    This term in its particular application means "that dominion which one man claims and exercises over the external things of the world, in exclusion of every other individual."

    In its larger and juster meaning, it embraces every thing to which a man may attach a value and have a right; and which leaves to every one else the like advantage.

    In the former sense, a man's land or merchandize, or money is called his property.

    In the latter sense, a man has a property in his opinions and the free communication of them.

    He has a property of peculiar value in his religious opinions, and in the profession and practice dictated by them.

    He has a property very dear to him in the safety and liberty of his person.

    He has an equal property in the free use of his faculties and free choice of the objects on which to employ them.

    In a word, as a man is said to have a right to his property, he may be equally said to have a property in his rights.

    Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions.

    Where there is an excess of liberty, the effect is the same, tho' from an opposite cause.

    Government is instituted to protect property of every sort; as well that which lies in the various rights of individuals, as that which the term particularly expresses. This being the end of government, that alone is a just government, which impartially secures to every man, whatever is his own.


    a bigot is a bigot, it does not matter whether you like or hate the bigot, a bigot has...... right to property.
    The federalist papers hold no legal weight. The 5th amendment does... so does every court ruling upholding the 5th and the commerce clause.

    Ferderalist papers vs. US Constitution ...sorry you lose.


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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    All citizens should have freedom of movement on publicly owned property. However, the owner of private property should have the right to determine who has access to his privately owned property.
    Unless, of course, a property owner volunteers to open a public business.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well maybe because people do not understand liberty,
    I understand liberty just fine. I want it to apply to black people in the public sphere, you don't.

    Hey, why don't we refuse to allow blacks electricity. After all, why should the government force anyone to provide power to blacks!

    Yeah, that's not racist.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Unless, of course, a property owner volunteers to open a public business.
    Public businesses are run by the government. Private business are run by private individuals.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    The federalist papers hold no legal weight. The 5th amendment does... so does every court ruling upholding the 5th and the commerce clause.

    Ferderalist papers vs. US Constitution ...sorry you lose.
    no I am right..

    this is not the federalist papers, it is Madison...who wrote the the bill of rights, and stuck to the principle of life liberty and property.

    you and others do not have authority on my property. Period.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Public businesses are run by the government. Private business are run by private individuals.
    False.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    False.
    Try saying true next time. It would be right instead of wrong.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no I am right..

    this is not the federalist papers, it is Madison...who wrote the the bill of rights, and stuck to the principle of life liberty and property.

    I am so sick of some people thinking they can get all of their understanding from men who lived centuries ago. It's pathetic.


    you and others do not have authority on my property. Period.
    False. We have every right to regulate externalities, legislate against fraud and ensure equal rights in the public sphere (which you choose to place your business into).

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I understand liberty just fine. I want it to apply to black people in the public sphere, you don't.

    Hey, why don't we refuse to allow blacks electricity. After all, why should the government force anyone to provide power to blacks!

    Yeah, that's not racist.
    wrong, I want to see liberty preserved..

    you wish to use race, as tool to violate rights of property owners, because you don't like to see people offended.

    law cant be governed by feelings...because we would have no rights left.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I am so sick of some people thinking they can get all of their understanding from men who lived centuries ago. It's pathetic.
    I'm sick of people thinking they have a right to slaves.

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