View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Look, if you'll accept that you demand for the enumeration of the right in the Constitution is BS. And that the USSC does not create rights, then I will give you what you're looking for. Ok?

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    I already told you the court does not create a right.....it never has.

    courts do not make rights just as the congress does not, rights are recognized by the courts as a existing rights, before the constitution was ever created.

    civil rights...are not rights, they are privileges created by the federal government, because government creates no rights.

    what government is doing is creating a privilege for a person on the property of a business owner...which is unconstitutional...government cannot give people privileges on property which is not theirs.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    what government is doing is creating a privilege for a person on the property of a business owner...which is unconstitutional...government cannot give people privileges on property which is not theirs.
    False. The government is protecting equal rights on property that a business owner has volunteered to make public. In volunteering to make his property open to the public, equal protection for the public is entirely reasonable.

    If one wants to keep their property private, they are free to do so. No one is forcing anyone.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    I have asked this many times and still I get no answer.


    what right of the buyer is being violated by the seller..........which is recognized by the USSC?

    a buyer has NO exercisable rights on another persons property.
    The right to equal access to products and services, wherein the buyer is not harming either the seller or the seller's business.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So now you're arguing for anarchy in the public sphere? I guess that's a step up from your previous ridiculous claims.
    No, I'm arguing that if you are running way from the argument that the law is in violation of peoples rights, it does you no favors to argue that they signed a business license and therefore no human right violation occurred. Requiring people take action to practice their rights is a right violation, so yes, required licensing of any sort is a right violation.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    easy, because a woman claims........".right to property, her body, to have an abortion"..............which abortion is offensive to other people

    if the left is going to be for a woman having the ability to do with her body [property] because its hers and preform an action which is offensive to some people.

    then my business is my property, and I have a right to it, whether you find it offensive or not.
    Control of ones bodily reproductive abilities is based simply on the fact that it is your own body. It has NOTHING to do with who it might offend or who might object.

    Being a bigot and refusing public accommodations to a citizen has nothing whatsoever to do with that. Lots of things people do might be offensive to others. We don't have laws against many of the.

    If your business is open to the public then you have to serve the public. It has nothing to do with what offends you or me.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, I'm arguing that if you are running way from the argument that the law is in violation of peoples rights, it does you no favors to argue that they signed a business license and therefore no human right violation occurred. Requiring people take action to practice their rights is a right violation, so yes, required licensing of any sort is a right violation.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    False. The government is protecting equal rights on property that a business owner has volunteered to make PUBLIC. In volunteering to make his property open to the public, equal protection for the public is entirely reasonable.
    you are equal under the law, which government creates, so they [government must treat you equally].........a business owner does not create law to be applied unequally, ...so why do business owners have to apply equality to you, when the constutution, concerning equality under the law does not apply to the people?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    The right to equal access to products and services, wherein the buyer is not harming either the seller or the seller's business.
    where is this right recognized by the constitution or the court?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you are equal under the law, which government creates, so they [government must treat you equally].........a business owner does not create law to be applied unequally, ...so why do business owners have to apply equality to you, when the constutution, concerning equality under the law does not apply to the people?
    Look, you made stupid arguments ("show me the right in the Constitution!") and I corrected you. Then, I was kind enough to hand you what you were fishing for.

    If you cannot understand the concept of public business, and responsibilities therein, I cannot do anything further for you.

    Good day.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Control of ones bodily reproductive abilities is based simply on the fact that it is your own body. It has NOTHING to do with who it might offend or who might object.

    Being a bigot and refusing public accommodations to a citizen has nothing whatsoever to do with that. Lots of things people do might be offensive to others. We don't have laws against many of the.

    If your business is open to the public then you have to serve the public. It has nothing to do with what offends you or me.
    as stated property is property.........everything about you is property

    your body, your labor, the things you obtain from that labor, your words, and ideas.

    if a person has a right to property, it cover all property, not only the property you see fit.

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