View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Rights are not created by the Constitution or the USSC.

    you did not read correctly.

    I stated the constitution recognizes rights, and the USSC recognizes rights.

    the constitution does not grant any rights to people, it recognizes them, and places a restriction on the federal government, that they "shall make no law", infringing on those rights.

    congress cannot create rights.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    And not selling to someone who is neither harming you or your business is..... I bet you've figured it out.
    I have asked this many times and still I get no answer.


    what right of the buyer is being violated by the seller..........which is recognized by the USSC?

    a buyer has NO exercisable rights on another persons property.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    We're discussing public business. Do try to keep the topic in mind.
    Actually, the topic is about anti-discrimination laws and the argument that freedom from discrimination is a desirable thing.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you did not read correctly.

    I stated the constitution recognizes rights, and the USSC recognizes rights.
    That does not necessarily create an all-inclusive list of rights. I'm sure you can understand this.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Actually, the topic is about anti-discrimination laws and the argument that freedom from discrimination is a desirable thing.
    In the public sphere.

    Now you're just dropping context in a desperate attempt to cover the foolishness of your claims.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That does not necessarily create an all-inclusive list of rights. I'm sure you can understand this.
    some of the founders didn't want any rights listed, because they state it would limit rights to what is on paper, however that is why the 9th was created to cover rights which are not listed.

    I have A RIGHT TO WALK DOWN THE STREET AND WHISTLE IF I WISH...ITS A RIGHT.......BUT IT HAS NEVER BEEN BROUGHT BEFORE THE COURT BEFORE, BECUASE NO ONE IS STUPID ENOUGH TO CHALLEGE THAT RIGHT.

    we have many rights, however when exercising an action comes into question it is turned over to the court, to decide whether its a right or not.

    the court has never ruled anyone has the right to be served, and they never will.........because to do some would make one person subservient to another.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Not at all. No one is forcing anyone to open a public business. If someone does open a public business, then it must actually be open to the public.
    That is a different argument. In that case anyone that is looking to open a business must acquire a business license and once acquired must follow certain rules that are open to change at any point in time from the government. In effect, when the government requires someone to acquire a business license they are not only requiring people take action to take part in their rights, which by itself is a right violation, but are forcing individuals to forfeit their right to operate their business in the way they desire.

    Offering people a choice on how much freedom they will have is rather stupid argument on your part.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    some of the founders didn't want any rights listed, because they state it would limit rights to what is on paper, however that is why the 9th was created to cover rights which are not listed.

    I have A RIGHT TO WALK DOWN THE STREET AND WHISTLE IF I WISH...ITS A RIGHT.......BUT IT HAS NEVER BEEN BROUGHT BEFORE THE COURT BEFORE, BECUASE NO ONE IS STUPID ENOUGH TO CHALLEGE THAT RIGHT.

    we have many rights, however when exercising an action comes into question it is turned over to the court, to decide whether its a right or not.

    the court has never ruled anyone has the right to be served, and they never will.........because to do some would make one person subservient to another.

    If one opens a public business, one is volunteering to be subservient to the public. What you're doing is no different than arguing for civilian rights in the military. Public business is optional, no one is forced.


    Look, if you'll accept that your demand for the enumeration of rights in the Constitution is BS, and that the USSC does not create rights, then I will give you what you're looking for. Ok?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    I think as a moral issue, no person should be refused service just because of his/her race, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation etc. UNLESS those conditions require participation by the proprietor in a way that the proprietor deems unacceptable or unreasonable. But the choice should be left with each individual person because the alternative is to give the state the right to dictate morality and social customs to the people.

    When I run a business, I want the right to impose an appropriate dress code, to order people who demonstrate unacceptable language or other behavior out of my place of business, to expect parents to control their children, and to restrict what forms of advertising or promotion take place on my premises. Those are all forms of discrimination that I believe to be my unalienable right to exercise with impunity. And it is the unalienable right of any person to dislike my policies and/or restrictions and/or attitudes/expectations and to not do business with me. That is also a form of discrimination.

    If we do not have control over our property, our persons, our choices, our preferences in our own space, we have no real rights at all.
    "I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." --Benjamin Franklin 1776

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That is a different argument. In that case anyone that is looking to open a business must acquire a business license and once acquired must follow certain rules that are open to change at any point in time from the government. In effect, when the government requires someone to acquire a business license they are not only requiring people take action to take part in their rights, which by itself is a right violation, but are forcing individuals to forfeit their right to operate their business in the way they desire.

    Offering people a choice on how much freedom they will have is rather stupid argument on your part.
    So now you're arguing for anarchy in the public sphere? I guess that's a step up from your previous ridiculous claims.

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