View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    The fact that this makes sense to you is scary.
    That racists attempt to remove all context and social meaning from the word racism is scary. That idiots go for it is even scarier.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Racism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    A system is not merely thought.

    In defining racism as merely individual thought, racists strip the word of meaning and falsely equivocate their actions with meaningless bigotry by a minority. The intents of this moronically simple definition are several:

    1. To ignore the history of actual racism and its impacts today.
    2. To ignore the power dynamics of actual racism.
    3. To draw a false equivalence between their actual racism and socially meaningless bigotry.
    4. To deny the systematic oppression of blacks.




    My entire sociology department agrees with me. Ignorance of sociological factors and impacts, and the intent of racists to ignore these factors, is doing you a disservice.

    I'm sorry you disagree with every sociology department in the country and every educated person regarding this. You need to educate yourself and stop discussing racism in terms drawn by racists.
    Wow. There are entire sociology departments of people who want to redefine language such that it has no meaning? This is some real Orwellian ****.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I'm not ignorant of anything. And if you'd take off your blinder for a minute you find out I'm on your side and trying to teach you something.

    A thought is not just some thing that someone has pop in their head. A thought can be a belief, an ideology, a cultural norm or many other things. I hope you understand that.

    Racial discrimination is discrimination, and its done because of racist thought. Again, thought is not just something that pops into someones head - see above.

    Actions are just that, actions.

    I enjoyed reading your link, but what some sociologists want redefine the term to be doesn't make it so.

    To help define a word and whether it is a verb or noun, try and use it in a sentence.

    I will racism against you; I will commit racist against you; I will commit racial against you.

    See? All nouns or pronouns. They don't fit. However, if we add a verb then the sentences work.

    I will discriminate and oppress you because of my racism; I will commit racist discrimination against you; I will commit racial oppression against you.
    The patience of Job.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    Wow. There are entire sociology departments of people who want to redefine language such that it has no meaning? This is some real Orwellian ****.
    Another person educated by Websters? Do they give certificates for that? What's it called, a 'Dumbass Degree'?

    The people redefining language so as to remove meaning are the racists, and the idiots that fall for their crap, who would have you believe that a bigot with institutional power is the same as a bigot with no power.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    The patience of Job.
    It didn't last, though I did try.
    Everything in your life is a reflection of a choice you have made. If you want a different result, don't blame someone else, or expect others to make a change, you should stop complaining and make a different choice. Remember, the circumstances of your birth don't determine the outcome of your life.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    I have no right to your property. If you offer your property at a price in the marketplace, then whom you choose to allow access to that property is not under your control.

    Once you enter the marketplace to offer your property, you are accepting all manor of rules, regulations an laws that protect you...as well as protect others. You accept this contract.

    To accept the rules, regulations, and laws that benefit you while denying those that protect the general public is not how our society works.

    You may choose not to participate in our society and remove your property from the marketplace with no restriction or penalty.
    So you're saying that if I have a piece of property that I want to sell to a particular person, you have the right to demand that I sell it to you instead? You believe that?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That racists attempt to remove all context and social meaning from the word racism is scary. That idiots go for it is even scarier.
    You are the one who is attempting to remove all context and social meaning from the word racism. Words mean things. Dictionaries exists so that society can refer to them for the meaning of words. The root of racism is in people's minds. If anyone here is denying the problems associated with racism, it's you, since you believe that anyone who isn't in the majority is immune to the poison of racist thoughts. How a bunch of sociologists think they can rid the world of racism by denying what racism really is...that's leap of logic I just can't comprehend. How are we ever supposed to understand each other in society when people perpetuate such dumbassery?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Another person educated by Websters? Do they give certificates for that? What's it called, a 'Dumbass Degree'?
    Actually, it's called "language". Picture me saying that real slowly with the air quotes for effect....you see, it's this thing that was invented awhile ago so that people could more easily and more precisely communicate with each other. It has pretty much facilitated every single worthwhile advance in society. So yeah. The guys who invented it and practice it are total dumbasses. I can see why you'd think that.


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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    "The Right To Discriminate" is really "Freedom of Association".

    Government needs powerful justification for discrimination (as an example, we do not allow blind people to fly fighter jets, that's a worthy justification); but private individuals should be left free to do as they wish.

    Creating a "Freedom from Discrimination" is a two parter: firstly, one creates a branch of Thought Crime (your motivation or internal reasoning for acts become the focus of the prohibition rather than the acts themselves, and then one creates a Positive Right to never encounter it.

    Ours is a system of Negative, rather than Positive Rights, hence "Freedom from Discrimination" belongs with "Freedom from upsetting speech" or "Freedom from religion", or any of the other Orwellian-speak that is used to justify the stripping of actual rights from others in the name of competing preferences of a politically more powerful class.
    That bolded part really jumped out at me. I never thought of it that way but you are so right. We do now have a system of negatives and it's pretty concerning when you frame it as such.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    That's too simplistic a scenario, and asking me to prove a negative. It also places the burden on both sides of the proposed business transaction.
    Prove a negative? I'm not asking you to prove anything at all. I'm asking about your opinion regarding what rights you consider yourself having when dealing with your fellow man.

    Can you narrow to better define the circumstances in your proposed scenario? However, the actor in your proposed scenario being me as an individual is inaccurate to the topic of this thread. I would propose that you not involve the individual as the antagonist or protagonist in your question. For example, businesses are not individuals nor do they have the certain rights that individuals have. That may change depending on how the Hobby Lobby case at the SCOTUS turns out. And given that the Citizens United case came down as it did, then that distinction may not be as clear cut as it once was, although that case dealt only with the First Amendment as it pertains to monetary donations to political campaigns.
    It's a general question, but I'll paint a hypothetical scenario for you. A sole proprietor (one individual) contract software developer places a notice on his website that he will not do business with any redheaded customers.

    Do you feel as if you have the right to violate the person or property of this individual in order to coerce him into doing business with redheads?

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