View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    [QUOTE=ecofarm;1063185640]More ignorance. I did not say whites are inherently racist. I said only the majority power can commit actual, meaningful, racism.[?quote] Differences in opinion are not ignorance. You saying that a noun is a verb could definitely be called ignorant, since that is a provable fact, not an opinion.



    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    No, you failed to understand. It's a social construct, and as such it can only be perpetuated at a societal level by the majority power.
    Just because I don't buy into your ideological construct, doesn't mean I don't understand it.

    Your only harming yourself by believing and buying into nonsensical dogma perpetrated by people that are obviously racists them self.

    To say that racism only exist on a societal level with white people (the majority as you keep saying) is racism against whites at its core.

    I'm done with this circular argument of yours. If you have something new to say, do so. I will read all your posts to me, but I will only respond if you come up with something new, or less "ignorant."

    Oh, and to use the same terminology you used toward me about five hours ago, and to summarize what I said above... bullcrap.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    To say that racism only exist on a societal level with white people (the majority as you keep saying) is racism against whites at its core.
    I tried my best, I cannot help you understand racism from a sociological viewpoint any more.

    Whites are not inherently racist or evil. Whites can be racists and blacks cannot (in the US) because whites have the majority of power in society. A minority regarding power in society is not capable of perpetuating a system of privilege that permeates society.


    One last time: it has nothing to do with whites being whites, it has only to do with whites wielding the majority of power. If blacks wielded the majority of power in the US, then only blacks could be racists in the US.

    In countries wherein blacks wield the majority of power, they are capable of being racists and the whites are not. However, this is mitigated by the global scale.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 04-23-14 at 06:29 AM.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    No, what you are saying is you have a right to control another person's liberty to receive something. I do believe the natural rights of people refer to liberty more than things that you are selling. A tangible object is not an extension of one's self.
    It isn't? In that case, I'll have the keys to your car, please...and your house, for that matter.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    You can't control another person from receiving something. You don't exercise control over other's liberty.
    Here again, I'll have the keys to your car now, please. You can't control me from receiving them.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Even if it might be taught these days in school that blacks dealt with discrimination everywhere they went and were literally unable to live because of it, there is no truth to it. If that was the case, then the black unemployment rate before minimum wage wouldn't have been 8%. They would have literally all been jobless and homeless if your statement had any validity to it. If blacks were discriminated against everywhere they went then they couldn't have opened their own businesses and been competitive against businesses owned by whites either.
    ...or been able to take up residence in the most prestigious house, with the most prestigious job in the country.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    No, you withholding something because you feel you hold more power over someone, because you don't view them as an equal.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
    No. He can withhold his property because he has power over himself and his property. Whether he views someone else as equal isn't relevant to you having power over someone else's property. Most people have an innate desire for self-preservation, which means that most people will invariably value the rest of the world's population at something less than themselves and their family. This doesn't mean you have a right to be given their property.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    No. He can withhold his property because he has power over himself and his property. Whether he views someone else as equal isn't relevant to you having power over someone else's property. Most people have an innate desire for self-preservation, which means that most people will invariably value the rest of the world's population at something less than themselves and their family. This doesn't mean you have a right to be given their property.
    I have no right to your property. If you offer your property at a price in the marketplace, then whom you choose to allow access to that property is not under your control.

    Once you enter the marketplace to offer your property, you are accepting all manor of rules, regulations an laws that protect you...as well as protect others. You accept this contract.

    To accept the rules, regulations, and laws that benefit you while denying those that protect the general public is not how our society works.

    You may choose not to participate in our society and remove your property from the marketplace with no restriction or penalty.


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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Then the discrimination is an individual discrimination, which is allowed, unless and until a pattern evolves and a new class in need of protection is identified.
    If it's bad, why is it allowed? If we can disallow it for protected classes, why can't we just disallow it altogether? Why are some groups more deserving of protection that others? Isn't that explicit discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Of course I do. As I stated before, I seen it from multiple sides.

    What I don't know, is what you meant by that damning and broad statement you made in post 3 as well as if you actually understand what you said.

    So far, I've gotten deflection from discrimination to racism and now I'm getting circular arguments from you.

    I really would like to hear your reasoning behind your statement. I don't want to argue and have done everything I can to prevent this from getting to that.

    Can you please explain to me your thoughts and your reasoning behind your statement that discrimination is done on a societal level and if you can, I'll ask you about the white people comment, although I've intentionally steered away from that.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The collective acts of actual (majority power) racists permeates society.

    Individual whites can be racist, because they have the power to institute the systematic oppression of another race, which is what racism really is.
    The fact that this makes sense to you is scary.

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