View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    No matter how many times you repeat this, it's not true. Racism is the systematic oppression of a race, and only the majority power is capable of this.
    It is not. Oppression is oppression, and it can be caused by may factors. Racism being just one. Oppression grown from racist people is racist oppression, but it isn't racism.

    You have to understand this. I don't know who you've been listening to, but they are doing you a disservice.

    Using the term racism to describe actions lessons the impact that the term actually has. Racism is a cancer on society. To dilute it by ascribing it as an action, when it is actually worse only dilutes and debases the term.

    A person that has racist thoughts is a racist.

    An action taken by that person because of the racism is another thing all together.

    You can add the term rasist in front of the other terms if you like, to differentiate them from toher forms of the same term, but they are not racism as defined by that single term.

    For instance, discrimination can be done for many reasons; sex discrimination, religious discrimination and so on. To use the term more accurately when describing discrimination due to racism, you can use the term "racist discrimination" or "race discrimination." But it is not racism.

    Racism is the root. The thought. The feeling. The underlying cause, but it is not an act. It can be the foundation for an action, or the reason for an action, but it is not the action itself.

    That's like saying that all sex is love.

    Some sex is done for purely carnal reasons. Some sex is done for love. But sex being the act is not love which is the thought or feeling.

    The opposite of love is hate. One form of hate is racism. All are thought or feelings. Any actions that result from love or hate or racism are described using different words.
    Everything in your life is a reflection of a choice you have made. If you want a different result, don't blame someone else, or expect others to make a change, you should stop complaining and make a different choice. Remember, the circumstances of your birth don't determine the outcome of your life.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    It is not.
    Some sociologists have defined racism as a system of group privilege. In Portraits of White Racism, David Wellman has defined racism as "culturally sanctioned beliefs, which, regardless of intentions involved, defend the advantages whites have because of the subordinated position of racial minorities".[31]
    Racism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    A system is not merely thought.

    In defining racism as merely individual thought, racists strip the word of meaning and falsely equivocate their actions with meaningless bigotry by a minority. The intents of this moronically simple definition are several:

    1. To ignore the history of actual racism and its impacts today.
    2. To ignore the power dynamics of actual racism.
    3. To draw a false equivalence between their actual racism and socially meaningless bigotry.
    4. To deny the systematic oppression of blacks.


    I don't know who you've been listening to, but they are doing you a disservice.
    My entire sociology department agrees with me. Ignorance of sociological factors and impacts, and the intent of racists to ignore these factors, is doing you a disservice.

    I'm sorry you disagree with every sociology department in the country and every educated person regarding this. You need to educate yourself and stop discussing racism in terms drawn by racists.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 04-23-14 at 05:26 AM.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    One person's statement against another isn't proof. Statements by multiple people that corroborate each other's claims IS proof.
    Even if they could prove that they were refused service, how would they prove that it was racially motivated?
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Racism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    A system is not merely thought.

    In defining racism as merely individual thought, racists strip the word of meaning and falsely equivocate their actions with meaningless bigotry by a minority. The intents of this moronically simple definition are several:

    1. To ignore the history of actual racism and its impacts today.
    2. To ignore the power dynamics of actual racism.
    3. To draw a false equivalence between their actual racism and socially meaningless bigotry.
    4. To deny the systematic oppression of blacks.




    My entire sociology department agrees with me. Ignorance of sociological factors and impacts, and the intent of racists to ignore these factors, is doing you a disservice.

    I'm sorry you disagree with every sociology department in the country and every educated person regarding this. You need to educate yourself and stop discussing racism in terms drawn by racists.
    I'm not ignorant of anything. And if you'd take off your blinder for a minute you find out I'm on your side and trying to teach you something.

    A thought is not just some thing that someone has pop in their head. A thought can be a belief, an ideology, a cultural norm or many other things. I hope you understand that.

    Racial discrimination is discrimination, and its done because of racist thought. Again, thought is not just something that pops into someones head - see above.

    Actions are just that, actions.

    I enjoyed reading your link, but what some sociologists want redefine the term to be doesn't make it so.

    To help define a word and whether it is a verb or noun, try and use it in a sentence.

    I will racism against you; I will commit racist against you; I will commit racial against you.

    See? All nouns or pronouns. They don't fit. However, if we add a verb then the sentences work.

    I will discriminate and oppress you because of my racism; I will commit racist discrimination against you; I will commit racial oppression against you.
    Everything in your life is a reflection of a choice you have made. If you want a different result, don't blame someone else, or expect others to make a change, you should stop complaining and make a different choice. Remember, the circumstances of your birth don't determine the outcome of your life.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I'm not ignorant of anything. And if you'd take off your blinder for a minute you find out I'm on your side and trying to teach you something.
    You're ignorant of the sociological definition of racism used by sociology departments across the country. While you take your definition from Websters, I take mine from grad school.

    One would think you'd be capable of understanding that extremely simple dictionary definitions are often lacking.

    Racism, by the sociological definition, is action and not just thought. This encompasses important aspects of actual racism and facilitates a higher understanding of it.

    I am not going to dumb-down my understanding to facilitate your over-simplification.

    Take your Websters to any sociology department and they will laugh you out.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 04-23-14 at 05:48 AM.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You're ignorant of the sociological definition of racism used by sociology departments across the country. While you take your definition from Websters, I take mine from grad school.

    One would think you'd be capable of understanding that extremely simple dictionary definitions are often lacking.
    Great. So proper English doesn't matter anymore. Only what you and your sociology professors say matters.

    No matter how many degrees you get, nouns will still be nouns and verbs will still be verbs.

    I hope you find a well paying job and no one discriminates against you for not having a practical education with practical applications.

    You really like to argue over meaningless ****. A verb is a verb and a noun is a noun. Regardless of what sociologists want to redefine them to be.

    Maybe you should talk to your English professors.

    And why be so rude to me? I could have jumped on you numerous times for your blatant racism you showed toward me, but I chose not to because I thought we were trying to get to an agreement.

    I was wrong. I should have just been an ass and been done with it, not wasting this much time tonight.
    Everything in your life is a reflection of a choice you have made. If you want a different result, don't blame someone else, or expect others to make a change, you should stop complaining and make a different choice. Remember, the circumstances of your birth don't determine the outcome of your life.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Great. So proper English doesn't matter anymore.
    Why do you insist on ignorance. There is more to racism than merely looking down on a race. A black racial bigot does not carry the same societal impacts as a white racial bigot. Can you not understand this?

    You're just getting pissy because Websters is not the end all be all of understanding terms.

    Racism is a social construct and, as such, is best examined by sociology - not Websters.

    I was wrong. I should have just been an ass and been done with it, not wasting this much time tonight.
    Good riddance. I've spent too much time trying to educate someone who's wedded to their dictionary. Perhaps after you acquire at least a basic education on the subject the discussion can be worthwhile.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Why do you insist on ignorance. There is more to racism than merely looking down on a race. A black racial bigot does not carry the same societal impacts as a white racial bigot. Can you not understand this?

    You're just getting pissy because Websters is not the end all be all of understanding terms.

    Racism is a social construct and, as such, is best examined by sociology - not Websters.



    Good riddance. I've spent too much time trying to educate someone wedded to their dictionary.
    Saying that a single white racist is more powerful than a single black racist, is... racist. Why? Because it presupposes that the white is more evil by the singular fact of being white, and by presupposing that whites are inherently racist and being so would be able to perpetuate their racism across society as a whole where blacks supposedly cannot.

    This is a racist construct. Perpetuated by those that harbor racist thoughts against whites.
    Everything in your life is a reflection of a choice you have made. If you want a different result, don't blame someone else, or expect others to make a change, you should stop complaining and make a different choice. Remember, the circumstances of your birth don't determine the outcome of your life.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Saying that a single white racist is more powerful than a single black racist, is... racist. Why? Because it presupposes that the white is more evil by the singular fact of being white, and by presupposing that whites are inherently racist and being so would be able to perpetuate their racism across society as a whole where blacks supposedly cannot.
    More ignorance. I did not say whites are inherently racist. I said only the majority power can commit or be a part of actual, meaningful, racism. Only those in majority power can be racists, whatever race they may be.

    This is a racist construct. Perpetuated by those that harbor racist thoughts against whites.
    No, you failed to understand. Racism a social construct (not an individual construct), and as such it can only be perpetuated at a societal level by the majority power.

    Only whites can be racist. Not because whites are inherently so, but because they wield majority power.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 04-23-14 at 06:10 AM.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Which is more important: the "right" to discriminate, or freedom from discrimination?

    Remember, you can't have both. If a business refuses to serve someone because he's black, and he refuses to leave and the business calls the cops to enforce their "right"...it is at that moment that we have government-enforced racism.

    Is that really what we want?
    your example lacks reason.

    what was the reason the person was asked to leave? the police officer is not condoning racism if he asks the person to leave. All the police officer knows is that the person is tresspassing. The officer is not there to judge the validity of a civil rights claim.

    the courts decide if the action of the owner was a violation of the person's constitutional right.


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