View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I'm not, and haven't been.

    Getting back to our original discussion:

    I would like to see if you could please explain to me in as much detail as this medium will allow, and with factual data and not anecdotal evidence, that discrimination exists on a societal level.

    Remember, were talking about discrimination, not racism.
    Our original discussion was regarding racism (real racism). I don't know where you lost track of the topic and my repeated and explicit references to unjust discrimination against a race by the majority power.

    Remember, we're talking about real racism and not whites crying about socially meaningless bigotry.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Our original discussion was regarding racism (real racism). I don't know where you lost track of the topic and my repeated and explicit references to unjust discrimination against a race by the majority power.

    Remember, we're talking about real racism and not whites crying about socially meaningless bigotry.
    Yes, only white people can be racist. If blacks are racist it's just meaningless bigotry.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yes, only white people can be racist. If blacks are racist it's just meaningless bigotry.
    Meaningless at a societal level and therefore not racists nor racism.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Meaningless at a societal level and therefore not racists nor racism.
    You have to be trolling.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You have to be trolling.
    No, you're displaying ignorance.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    No, you're displaying ignorance.
    Yeah, I'm the one doing that. Why don't you post more about how blacks can't be racist. It's almost as funny as you claiming the free market is a right.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Our original discussion was regarding racism (real racism). I don't know where you lost track of the topic and my repeated and explicit references to unjust discrimination against a race by the majority power.

    Remember, we're talking about real racism and not whites crying about socially meaningless bigotry.
    No, not really. It was about discrimination. Here's a short recap before it was sidetracked into the topic of racism:

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The reason some do not care about freedom from unjust discrimination is they're white and suffer no such threat on a societal level. The world ends at their nose.
    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Although I agree with your premise, your statement is not wholly true.

    I myself have been discriminated against; in South Miami for not being Latino, in NYC for not being - black/Italian/Jewish/a northerner. And many other instances as well.

    Discrimination has no place in our society when it comes to social interaction related to commerce or public services. Each of us has the right to freedom of association which also means non-association, but that is in our private lives, not in public interactions.

    JMHO
    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You must have missed the part about "on a societal level". You see, a white person can move and get away from any pockets of unjust discrimination against them - blacks CANNOT. That's the difference.

    Of course bigotry by minorities is just as bad on an individual level, and I condemn them, but it is meaningless on a societal level.
    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Your term "societal level" is defined by the sub-group, not the entirety.

    Your statement that "white people can move" and "blacks cannot" is baffling to me. Especially when discussed in the context of your entire post. Could you please describe to me an accurate and realistic explanation of why and how society has prevented or restricted blacks from moving? And if your inference was that whites can move away from discrimination and blacks cannot, the truth is no one can, not just blacks. Discrimination is part of the human condition. People associate with like people. That is nature. Associating with people that are similar in likes, culture and lifestyles is discrimination and happens on more than just racial lines. Rich people live around other rich people. Doctors join the same clubs. Workers join unions and prevent senior management from joining.

    Discrimination is part of the freedom to associate, on an individual level.

    The only time that that individual right is limited, is when it is no longer an individual doing the discriminating. Such as business or a group that is open to the general public.

    Private organizations still have the right to discriminate. For instance, a community group can discriminate against people outside the community and not allow them to join the group. A private club can discriminate against people that do not meet their membership criteria.

    But to get back to the ridiculous statement that whites can move away from discrimination, that is just not accurate and is logically flawed, as I've explained.
    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It's not an inference, it's an obvious fact. Discrimination against blacks permeates society, discrimination against whites exists only in isolated pockets and events.

    I cannot believe the concept is beyond you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    For your premise to hold up, ALL white people would have to be propagating this discrimination for it to permeate society as a whole. I find that unlikely at least, and unprovable at most. And for the second of your assertions to be factual, blacks would have to be isolated from society as a whole and not be allowed coexist in society which seems also unprovable.

    Care to prove it for me? Factually and not anecdotally? I can agree with you that anecdotal insistence's exist on both sides, but not factual societal discrimination as was the case in 1950.
    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Bullcrap.
    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Fine. Prove it's bullcrap. I'm willing to change my mind. Are you?
    And here's where it got side tracked...

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It's totally ridiculous for you to believe that every single white person must be a racist in order for racism to permeate society. It's stupid on its face. Just think for a minute and I'm sure the idiocy of that claim will dawn upon you.
    My original question to you still stands:

    I would like to see if you could please explain to me in as much detail as this medium will allow, and with factual data and not anecdotal evidence, that discrimination exists on a societal level.

    Remember, were talking about discrimination, not racism.
    Everything in your life is a reflection of a choice you have made. If you want a different result, don't blame someone else, or expect others to make a change, you should stop complaining and make a different choice. Remember, the circumstances of your birth don't determine the outcome of your life.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Remember, were talking about discrimination, not racism.
    Remember, I'm not gonna remind you of the topic every single post. The discrimination in question is racism. Has been for every single post I've made this thread.

    If you didn't understand that, too bad. Reread my posts with that in mind.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Remember, I'm not gonna remind you of the topic every single post. The discrimination in question is racism.
    rac•ism
    ˈrāˌsizəm/
    noun
    noun: racism
    the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

    dis•crim•i•na•tion
    disˌkriməˈnāSHən/
    noun
    noun: discrimination; plural noun: discriminations
    the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.

    My original question to you still stands:

    I would like to see if you could please explain to me in as much detail as this medium will allow, and with factual data and not anecdotal evidence, that discrimination exists on a societal level.

    Remember, were talking about discrimination, not racism.

    For your edification on this subject: Racism can lead to discrimination, but discrimination does not lead to racism.

    Racism is a thought, discrimination is an act.

    Racism can also lead to outward prejudices, antagonism and the like, but none of them can lead to racism.

    Discrimination is a broad term. In our conversation we were discussing discrimination that originated from racism and other forms of bigotry. But the question I asked you was not limited to racism. You yourself attempted to limit it to that, and I refused.

    Again...

    My original question to you still stands:

    I would like to see if you could please explain to me in as much detail as this medium will allow, and with factual data and not anecdotal evidence, that discrimination exists on a societal level.

    Remember, were talking about discrimination, not racism.
    Last edited by Beaudreaux; 04-23-14 at 03:36 AM.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    rac•ism
    ˈrāˌsizəm/
    noun
    noun: racism
    the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

    dis•crim•i•na•tion
    disˌkriməˈnāSHən/
    noun
    noun: discrimination; plural noun: discriminations
    the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.

    My original question to you still stands:

    I would like to see if you could please explain to me in as much detail as this medium will allow, and with factual data and not anecdotal evidence, that discrimination exists on a societal level.

    Remember, were talking about discrimination, not racism.

    Sorry you misunderstood. Better luck next time.

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