View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    oh?...who are you receiving it from ...me?.......i don't have to sell ,give or trade you anything.....if you had the ability to apply force to me, to make me sell, give or trade.....that would be unlawful and defy America's founding principles,...because it would give you....... power over me
    No, you withholding something because you feel you hold more power over someone, because you don't view them as an equal.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    For your premise to hold up, ALL white people would have to be propagating this discrimination for it to permeate society as a whole.
    Bullcrap.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Bullcrap.
    Fine. Prove it's bullcrap. I'm willing to change my mind. Are you?
    Everything in your life is a reflection of a choice you have made. If you want a different result, don't blame someone else, or expect others to make a change, you should stop complaining and make a different choice. Remember, the circumstances of your birth don't determine the outcome of your life.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Fine. Prove it's bullcrap. I'm willing to change my mind. Are you?
    It's totally ridiculous for you to believe that every single white person must be a racist in order for racism to permeate society. It's stupid on its face. Just think for a minute and I'm sure the idiocy of that claim will dawn upon you.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It's totally ridiculous for you to believe that every single white person must be a racist in order for racism to permeate society. It's stupid on its face. Just think for a minute and I'm sure the idiocy of that claim will dawn upon you.
    I don't think that, you said that.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    ... Discrimination against blacks permeates society, discrimination against whites exists only in isolated pockets and events.

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    Full Definition of PERMEATE

    intransitive verb

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    1: to spread or diffuse through <a room permeated with tobacco smoke>
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    Everything in your life is a reflection of a choice you have made. If you want a different result, don't blame someone else, or expect others to make a change, you should stop complaining and make a different choice. Remember, the circumstances of your birth don't determine the outcome of your life.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I don't think that, you said that.



    Full Definition of PERMEATE

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    Not every white needs to be a racist for it to permeate society. It does so because of the racists that exist (within the majority power, of course) and due to past policies that resonate even today.

    Your strawman is stupid.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It needn't be wholly white, it (the community) need only not be against you. One black person being a bigot against you is not the same as discrimination against you throughout society everywhere you go and everything you do.
    I think you copied and pasted your previous post.

    Again, nonsense. If you that everybody is discriminating against you, then you are apt to see discrimination everywhere.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Not every white needs to be a racist for it to permeate society. It does so because of the racists that exist (within the majority power, of course) and due to past policies that resonate even today.

    Your strawman is stupid.
    It isn't a strawman. I'm asking you serious questions and not trying to have a fight with you.

    I would like to see if you could please explain to me in as much detail as this medium will allow, and with factual data and not anecdotal evidence, that discrimination exists on a societal level.

    Remember, were talking about discrimination, not racism.
    Everything in your life is a reflection of a choice you have made. If you want a different result, don't blame someone else, or expect others to make a change, you should stop complaining and make a different choice. Remember, the circumstances of your birth don't determine the outcome of your life.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    The question is too vague, IMO.

    'Freedom from discrimination'? How? By force or by simple evolution?

    And there is no way to end discrimination by force...you can only force it underground. You cannot force people to change their attitudes/feelings...just force them to act like they are not prejudiced.

    And if humanity evolved beyond discrimination...then the freedom to discriminate would be irrelevant.


    Personally, I believe in free speech and freedom of expression above almost all else.

    If you don't like the racist pig that runs the deli down the street...just don't go to it. Economic boycott.

    But forcing him by law to not exhibit prejudicial tendencies/policies is edging toward a police state, IMO. And all it will probably do is make him more resentful and bitter and possibly more prejudicial.

    You cannot force someone to stop hating...you can only hope he will evolve out of that hate. And the latter comes from freedom and education...not physical and/or emotional repression.

    Sure, you have to protect people from violence and life-or-death situations due to discrimination. But virtually all other aspects of discrimination should be allowed...talking about it openly is the key to ending it; not shoving it under the rug and hoping it will go away.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    If the the man didn't pay last time I think you could take the position that government-enforced discrimination was okay.

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