View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    38 33.04%
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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    oh, your saying i don't have a right to property ....land?

    again i did not say right to have land.

    i said right to property, meaning i exercise control over that property i own.

    again for you, from the man who wrote the bill of rights..James Madison---In the former sense, a man's land, or merchandize, or money is called his property.
    You can't control another person from receiving something. You don't exercise control over other's liberty.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    But you did. You don't think they deserve equal protection under the law...hater.
    No I didn't.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    One wonders if you'd feel the same if you'd lived a life where you're being the one discriminated against, where you try as hard as anyone else but can't succeed because you're being judged by what you are, instead of by the content of your character.
    I take it you didn't read my post or you read it, failed to understand and just posted a non-sequitur in response. Go back read my post again and take a little time to actually think about what I said, then try again....
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    You can't control another person from receiving something. You don't exercise control over other's liberty.
    if property is mine.....i don't have to give ,sell, or trade it to you....its mind....its my liberty to do that.

    i don't control your liberty to do anything either with your property.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    if property is mine.....i don't have to give ,sell, or trade it to you....its mind....its my liberty to do that.

    i don't control your liberty to do anything either with your property.
    No, what you are saying is you have a right to control another person's liberty to receive something. I do believe the natural rights of people refer to liberty more than things that you are selling. A tangible object is not an extension of one's self.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    And if your inference was that whites can move away from discrimination and blacks cannot, the truth is no one can, not just blacks. Discrimination is part of the human condition.
    It's not an inference, it's an obvious fact. Discrimination against blacks permeates society, discrimination against whites exists only in isolated pockets and events.

    I cannot believe the concept is beyond you.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    That's nonsense. I don't know a neighborhood in the Richmond Va area that is wholly white.
    It needn't be wholly white, it (the community) need only not be against you. One black person being a bigot against you is not the same as discrimination against you throughout society everywhere you go and everything you do.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    No, what you are saying is you have a right to control another person's liberty to receive something. I do believe the natural rights of people refer to liberty more than things that you are selling. A tangible object is not an extension of one's self.
    oh?...who are you receiving it from ...me?.......i don't have to sell ,give or trade you anything.....if you had the ability to apply force to me, to make me sell, give or trade.....that would be unlawful and defy America's founding principles,...because it would give you....... power over me

    anything i create or obtain from my labor, or someone gives me...is property belonging to me........you have no rights to it.

    when you deal with another person and want to engage in commerce with that person.....that person has right to association...you have no rights over him, he gives you the privilege of commerce with himself, because he wants your business, your money.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It needn't be wholly white, it (the community) need only not be against you. One black person being a bigot against you is not the same as discrimination against you throughout society everywhere you go and everything you do.
    Even if it might be taught these days in school that blacks dealt with discrimination everywhere they went and were literally unable to live because of it, there is no truth to it. If that was the case, then the black unemployment rate before minimum wage wouldn't have been 8%. They would have literally all been jobless and homeless if your statement had any validity to it. If blacks were discriminated against everywhere they went then they couldn't have opened their own businesses and been competitive against businesses owned by whites either.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It's not an inference, it's an obvious fact. Discrimination against blacks permeates society, discrimination against whites exists only in isolated pockets and events.

    I cannot believe the concept is beyond you.
    For your premise to hold up, ALL white people would have to be propagating this discrimination for it to permeate society as a whole. I find that unlikely at least, and unprovable at most. And for the second of your assertions to be factual, blacks would have to be isolated from society as a whole and not be allowed coexist in society which seems also unprovable.

    Care to prove it for me? Factually and not anecdotally? I can agree with you that anecdotal insistence's exist on both sides, but not factual societal discrimination as was the case in 1950.
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