View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    Refer to the bold/underlined portion for the proper response to racism.
    Who stood up for Rosa Parks? Or 14-year-old Emmitt Till? Who, besides our government, stood up for the black students at the University of Alabama?

    It's not enough.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You must have missed the part about "on a societal level". You see, a white person can move and get away from any pockets of unjust discrimination against them - blacks CANNOT. That's the difference.

    Of course bigotry by minorities is just as bad on an individual level, and I condemn them, but it is meaningless on a societal level.
    Your term "societal level" is defined by the sub-group, not the entirety.

    Your statement that "white people can move" and "blacks cannot" is baffling to me. Especially when discussed in the context of your entire post. Could you please describe to me an accurate and realistic explanation of why and how society has prevented or restricted blacks from moving? And if your inference was that whites can move away from discrimination and blacks cannot, the truth is no one can, not just blacks. Discrimination is part of the human condition. People associate with like people. That is nature. Associating with people that are similar in likes, culture and lifestyles is discrimination and happens on more than just racial lines. Rich people live around other rich people. Doctors join the same clubs. Workers join unions and prevent senior management from joining.

    Discrimination is part of the freedom to associate, on an individual level.

    The only time that that individual right is limited, is when it is no longer an individual doing the discriminating. Such as business or a group that is open to the general public.

    Private organizations still have the right to discriminate. For instance, a community group can discriminate against people outside the community and not allow them to join the group. A private club can discriminate against people that do not meet their membership criteria.

    But to get back to the ridiculous statement that whites can move away from discrimination, that is just not accurate and is logically flawed, as I've explained.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I had two occasions as a Realtor when clients made asses of themselves and only civil rights laws stopped them from being the dicks they most certainly were.

    "Maggie, here's the thing," my client said as I was filling out the Listing Agreement on his home. "I want you to know that I'm not going to sell my home to a black. I just couldn't do that to my neighbors."

    Maggie pauses, pen in hand, deliberately and ceremoniously pushing back from the kitchen table...."Frank, here's my thing. I have no intention of defending myself against a HUD lawsuit that would take everything I own and everything you owned by joining you in your intention to violate the civil rights laws of the United States of America."

    What I couldn't say was what I really thought: dickhead.

    Another jerk-times-five refused to sign a full-price offer because the buyers were a mixed-race couple. Well, at least not until I'd had a come-to-Jesus talk with him.

    What I couldn't say was what I really thought: dickhead.



    So. If I have no sympathy for someone who wants to discriminate with the largest asset he's likely to own in his lifetime (his home), how much sympathy would I be likely to have for someone who refuses to sell a guy a ham sandwich?
    You don't have to have sympathy for someone to want their rights protected. For that matter, the world would probably be a better place if you had just called him a dickhead and he knew that's what you thought of him and why. Most people don't like being thought of that way.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I never said I had a problem with his name. That is on you.
    But you did. You don't think they deserve equal protection under the law...hater.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I still do not get your connection between bigotry and human rights.
    People have the right to make choices in their life towards their person or property; be that, decisions on who to hang out with, who to date, who to have sex with, who to buy things from, who to sell to, what price they are willing to sell their property at, what wage they are willing to accept for work, where they will work, under what conditions they will accept to work under, who they will allow on your property, who they will provide labor, who they will associate with, etc, etc. The point is that all of those decisions are up to their discretion. Their reasons for deciding on something might not be agreeable to other people, but it is their choice to make, just as it is other peoples choice to make on how to respond to them because of it. It might not be something you can personally tolerate, but people do have the right to be assholes and refuse to do business with you for any reason they want to pick.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Because the unjust discrimination permeates society, unlike bigotry by blacks against whites.
    So that breaks their legs or something?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Who stood up for Rosa Parks? Or 14-year-old Emmitt Till? Who, besides our government, stood up for the black students at the University of Alabama?

    It's not enough.
    all governmental property is to be free of discrimination...........thats constitutional law.

    private property, government has no congressional authority over........article 1 section 8 clause 17.....notes from the constitutional convention....Sept 5 1787

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Because the unjust discrimination permeates society, unlike bigotry by blacks against whites.
    That's nonsense. I don't know a neighborhood in the Richmond Va area that is wholly white.

    Also, speaking from my experience as a real estate appraiser with around 10,000 deals over the years, I don't know of a single instance of discrimination by the appraiser, the Realtor, the builder, or the lender.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Who stood up for Rosa Parks? Or 14-year-old Emmitt Till? Who, besides our government, stood up for the black students at the University of Alabama?

    It's not enough.
    Examples of people who were discriminated against by the government, but I do get your point. There is a time & place for everything. That said, we are not careful enough with our use of "desperate measures".

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    Examples of people who were discriminated against by the government, but I do get your point. There is a time & place for everything. That said, we are not careful enough with our use of "desperate measures".
    thanks for making that clear.

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