View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    38 33.04%
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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    "The Right To Discriminate" is really "Freedom of Association".

    Government needs powerful justification for discrimination (as an example, we do not allow blind people to fly fighter jets, that's a worthy justification); but private individuals should be left free to do as they wish.

    Creating a "Freedom from Discrimination" is a two parter: firstly, one creates a branch of Thought Crime (your motivation or internal reasoning for acts become the focus of the prohibition rather than the acts themselves, and then one creates a Positive Right to never encounter it.

    Ours is a system of Negative, rather than Positive Rights, hence "Freedom from Discrimination" belongs with "Freedom from upsetting speech" or "Freedom from religion", or any of the other Orwellian-speak that is used to justify the stripping of actual rights from others in the name of competing preferences of a politically more powerful class.
    The Bill of Rights is a restrictive document written in restrictive terminology; restricting the government, not the people.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    again you deflect!!!!!

    you stated right to property is not a natural right........and i proved it is.........are you still going to deny it?
    I said several times I was referring to physical things not intellectual property.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Henrin. Where have you been? Civil Rights laws have covered the sale and rental of housing since the Fair Housing Act of 1968.
    I know. I just think it's funny when people admit anti-discrimination laws cover more than just those businesses open to the public. What makes it so funny is that those same people argue that such laws are fine because the business has a certain business license. It would seem to me that if the laws in question cover more than just businesses open to the public they can't use that defense.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Aww, shucks. Now I can't get mad.

    I guess I'm not concerned by what constitutional authority we have civil rights laws. I would be ashamed of my country if we still had signs on businesses that said, "Blacks not welcome here." That was a dark period in our history, in my opinion. The famous fact that Jackie Robinson couldn't stay with the rest of his team (until they stood up for him) because the team hotels wouldn't admit blacks was pretty low down. And even that we had Negro Baseball Leagues. That, during the second world war, blacks had to move off the sidewalks in the south when whites were going by...I mean, really??
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You must have missed the part about "on a societal level". You see, a white person can move and get away from any pockets of unjust discrimination against them - blacks CANNOT. That's the difference.

    Of course bigotry by minorities is just as bad on an individual level, and I condemn them, but it is meaningless on a societal level.
    Why can't blacks move?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I said several times I was referring to physical things not intellectual property.
    oh, your saying i don't have a right to property ....land?

    again i did not say right to have land.

    i said right to property, meaning i exercise control over that property i own.

    again for you, from the man who wrote the bill of rights..James Madison---In the former sense, a man's land, or merchandize, or money is called his property.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I know. I just think it's funny when people admit anti-discrimination laws cover more than just those businesses open to the public when those same people argue that such laws are fine because the business has a certain business license. It would seem to me that if the laws in question cover more than just businesses open to the public they can't use that defense.
    Oh, I see. Well, I've never used the business license argument. I get what you're saying, though.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Every last right you will find is your property and they are all yours to do with as you please. All rights are based on body sovereignty and extend to everything in which the body acts upon. Therefore, all your rights, be that, the right to life, liberty, or estate, are born from property, or more to the point, the right to your own body and it's facilities. With this knowledge of your ownership of your person you will discover, as I have said, that if we were to go down the list of rights that all of them give you complete control and all of them are discriminatory in nature; in that, no one can act upon your person or property without your permission.

    The fact is discrimination is an essential part of human rights and has to be protected to protect human rights. You just live in this world where somehow acting on the person or property of another is justified because they are practicing their rights in a way you don't like. It's kind of stupid, imho.
    I still do not get your connection between bigotry and human rights.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    The Bill of Rights is a restrictive document written in restrictive terminology; restricting the government, not the people.
    100% correct!....

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Why can't blacks move?
    Because the unjust discrimination permeates society, unlike bigotry by blacks against whites.

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