View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    I just don't get why you hate the Sanchez's so much. What did they ever do to you?
    I never said I had a problem with his name. That is on you.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Explain to me how you have a right to someone else's labor and property? You do realize you're describing the right to slaves, right?
    But it's a "public business" and that means it's community property...

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    "The Right To Discriminate" is really "Freedom of Association".

    Government needs powerful justification for discrimination (as an example, we do not allow blind people to fly fighter jets, that's a worthy justification); but private individuals should be left free to do as they wish.

    Creating a "Freedom from Discrimination" is a two parter: firstly, one creates a branch of Thought Crime (your motivation or internal reasoning for acts become the focus of the prohibition rather than the acts themselves, and then one creates a Positive Right to never encounter it.

    Ours is a system of Negative, rather than Positive Rights, hence "Freedom from Discrimination" belongs with "Freedom from upsetting speech" or "Freedom from religion", or any of the other Orwellian-speak that is used to justify the stripping of actual rights from others in the name of competing preferences of a politically more powerful class.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    There is no natural right to property. I have to purchase it unlike the air I breathe which is a natural right. Government protects my rights to my property.
    i did not state a natural right to have property, i stated a right to property.

    i have a right to bear a firearm,...i don't have a right to a firearm.


    from the Declaration of Independence----- WHICH IS THE FUNDAMENTAL LAW OF THE U.S. ........IT IS ALSO STATUTE LAW, U.S CODE.... BOOK 1 PAGE 1

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the........... pursuit of Happiness<-------TRANSLATES INTO PROPERTY

    from the u.s. Constitution:


    5th--nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property

    14th--nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property.

    right to property is an unalienable ,natural right....as stated by the Declaration of independence, and the u.s. Constitution.
    Last edited by Master PO; 04-22-14 at 11:50 PM.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    14th--nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property.
    The state is not denying anyone his property. A merchant decides if he wants to sell his property or not. He can't decide to only sell based on discrimination. It's not a hard concept to grasp.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    For all those who decided the the government should step in and suppress a individuals right to be prejudiced or racists, What other freedoms are you now willing to support being taken away because you don't like them? Or have taken away from you because others don't like them? Once you take one away, you leave it open for others to also be taken away. Yes, most of us hate racism, but what other freedoms should we be willing to sacrifice because a "majority" of our fellows don't like them? How about speech? Press? Religion is already under attack from the left, so what the hell, lets sacrifice it also?

    Once you set the precedent for one to be taken that you dislike, you also set the precedent for ones you might cherish to be taken also.
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Government enforced racism is a blemish on the history of a great country. I hope it never returns.
    It's still here, Mak. Only the name has changed.

    Now we call it affirmative action.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Okay, so do you feel you have the right to violate the person or property of one your neighbor in order to force him to do business with someone against his will?
    That's too simplistic a scenario, and asking me to prove a negative. It also places the burden on both sides of the proposed business transaction.

    Can you narrow to better define the circumstances in your proposed scenario? However, the actor in your proposed scenario being me as an individual is inaccurate to the topic of this thread. I would propose that you not involve the individual as the antagonist or protagonist in your question. For example, businesses are not individuals nor do they have the certain rights that individuals have. That may change depending on how the Hobby Lobby case at the SCOTUS turns out. And given that the Citizens United case came down as it did, then that distinction may not be as clear cut as it once was, although that case dealt only with the First Amendment as it pertains to monetary donations to political campaigns.
    Everything in your life is a reflection of a choice you have made. If you want a different result, don't blame someone else, or expect others to make a change, you should stop complaining and make a different choice. Remember, the circumstances of your birth don't determine the outcome of your life.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Although I agree with your premise, your statement is not wholly true.

    I myself have been discriminated against; in South Miami for not being Latino, in NYC for not being - black/Italian/Jewish/a northerner. And many other instances as well.

    Discrimination has no place in our society when it comes to social interaction related to commerce or public services. Each of us has the right to freedom of association which also means non-association, but that is in our private lives, not in public interactions.

    JMHO
    You must have missed the part about "on a societal level". You see, a white person can move and get away from any pockets of unjust discrimination against them - blacks CANNOT. That's the difference.

    Of course bigotry by minorities is just as bad on an individual level, and I condemn them, but it is meaningless on a societal level.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    The state is not denying anyone his property. A merchant decides if he wants to sell his property or not. He can't decide to only sell based on discrimination. It's not a hard concept to grasp.
    again you deflect!!!!!

    you stated right to property is not a natural right........and i proved it is.........are you still going to deny it?

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