View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    He gets to decide to market it or not but he can't say "I will only sell my light bulb to white people."
    Edison lived before such laws, so legally he could have decided to not sell to whomever he pleased.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Statist? In what way? I don't approve of giving a centralized government control over commerce.
    Okay, so do you feel you have the right to violate the person or property of one your neighbor in order to force him to do business with someone against his will?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Names are not a protected class
    Why not? What if I'm uncomfortable working with someone named Sanchez? Why shouldn't the Sanchez's have equal protection under the law?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    that is not what i am asking......dont go off track.

    you stated government created the right to property.

    Edison created the blub.....thru his own means..........did government own the blub after it was created, and then government give its right to that property to Edison?
    Sorry, but you're off track because land is not the same as intellectual property.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    Why not? What if I'm uncomfortable working with someone named Sanchez? Why shouldn't the Sanchez's have equal protection under the law?
    Then quit. No one said you have to work with him.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Sorry, but you're off track because land is not the same as intellectual property.
    wrong........ everything about a person is PROPERTY.

    JAMES MADSION ....CREATOR OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS


    James Madison, Property
    29 Mar. 1792Papers 14:266--68

    This term in its particular application means "that dominion which one man claims and exercises over the external things of the world, in exclusion of every other individual."

    In its larger and juster meaning, it embraces every thing to which a man may attach a value and have a right; and which leaves to every one else the like advantage.

    In the former sense, a man's land, or merchandize, or money is called his property.

    In the latter sense, a man has a property in his opinions and the free communication of them.

    He has a property of peculiar value in his religious opinions, and in the profession and practice dictated by them.

    He has a property very dear to him in the safety and liberty of his person.

    He has an equal property in the free use of his faculties and free choice of the objects on which to employ them.

    In a word, as a man is said to have a right to his property, he may be equally said to have a property in his rights.

    Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions.

    Where there is an excess of liberty, the effect is the same, tho' from an opposite cause.

    Government is instituted to protect property of every sort; as well that which lies in the various rights of individuals, as that which the term particularly expresses. This being the end of government, that alone is a just government, which impartially secures to every man, whatever is his own.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    wrong........ everything about a person is PROPERTY.

    JAMES MADSION ....CREATOR OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS


    James Madison, Property
    29 Mar. 1792Papers 14:266--68

    This term in its particular application means "that dominion which one man claims and exercises over the external things of the world, in exclusion of every other individual."

    In its larger and juster meaning, it embraces every thing to which a man may attach a value and have a right; and which leaves to every one else the like advantage.

    In the former sense, a man's land, or merchandize, or money is called his property.

    In the latter sense, a man has a property in his opinions and the free communication of them.

    He has a property of peculiar value in his religious opinions, and in the profession and practice dictated by them.

    He has a property very dear to him in the safety and liberty of his person.

    He has an equal property in the free use of his faculties and free choice of the objects on which to employ them.

    In a word, as a man is said to have a right to his property, he may be equally said to have a property in his rights.

    Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions.

    Where there is an excess of liberty, the effect is the same, tho' from an opposite cause.

    Government is instituted to protect property of every sort; as well that which lies in the various rights of individuals, as that which the term particularly expresses. This being the end of government, that alone is a just government, which impartially secures to every man, whatever is his own.
    Feel free to throw in as many strawman you please. I can't just go out and claim land.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    So, just to be crystal clear, you're saying that you would support violating the body or property of your fellow man in order to force him to do business with someone against his will?

    If that's the case, I can't agree with violating the body or property of anyone who hasn't (or is in the process of) violating the body or property of anyone else. That would constitute an initiation of aggression, and I don't feel I have the right to initiate aggression against my fellow man.



    Speaking for myself, I don't feel I'm callous toward my fellow man. I love my fellow man, and refuse to initiate aggression against him, even when I think he's being a dick.

    Appreciate you letting me know. Thx.
    I had two occasions as a Realtor when clients made asses of themselves and only civil rights laws stopped them from being the dicks they most certainly were.

    "Maggie, here's the thing," my client said as I was filling out the Listing Agreement on his home. "I want you to know that I'm not going to sell my home to a black. I just couldn't do that to my neighbors."

    Maggie pauses, pen in hand, deliberately and ceremoniously pushing back from the kitchen table...."Frank, here's my thing. I have no intention of defending myself against a HUD lawsuit that would take everything I own and everything you owned by joining you in your intention to violate the civil rights laws of the United States of America."

    What I couldn't say was what I really thought: dickhead.

    Another jerk-times-five refused to sign a full-price offer because the buyers were a mixed-race couple. Well, at least not until I'd had a come-to-Jesus talk with him.

    What I couldn't say was what I really thought: dickhead.



    So. If I have no sympathy for someone who wants to discriminate with the largest asset he's likely to own in his lifetime (his home), how much sympathy would I be likely to have for someone who refuses to sell a guy a ham sandwich?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Feel free to throw in as many strawman you please. I can't just go out and claim land.
    show me where i said that?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    show me where i said that?
    You didn't but I was talking about land. Then you bring this up which had zip to do with my discussion.

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