View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    How about this: "Do you think that blacks still belong at the back of the bus?" (Moved a word. Less accusatory. My bad.)
    Nope. Never thought they belonged at the back of the bus in the first place. I think the government laws that forced them to do so were evil.

    I believe in Civil Rights laws that outlaw discrimination based on a variety of reasons, race being one. I have no problem with them.
    My question is not necessarily about civil rights laws. It's more fundamental. I'm asking if you think that you, personally, have the right to violate the body or property of your neighbor in order to force him to do business against his will.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    patent law, is law which protects the natural right of property.

    if law is not written, HOW DOES ONE KNOW THE LAW?
    An idea is not the same thing as physical property.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i will rephrase.

    if a person exercise his right to property, and in exercising that right, he does not violate the rights of another person, or health and safety laws created by government, [which are designed to protect people], then by what authoirty does the government have to force a property owner to serve another citizen?

    first ...it defines the DOI....because force is being using on a citizen..the property owner....which violates the founding principles.

    second.. it violates the 13th amendment...which states no person can be forced to serve another citizen, unless convicted of a crime.......discrimination is not criminal law.......its administrative law.

    p.s...... i think your a good poster...so don't take anything personal please.
    Aww, shucks. Now I can't get mad.

    I guess I'm not concerned by what constitutional authority we have civil rights laws. I would be ashamed of my country if we still had signs on businesses that said, "Blacks not welcome here." That was a dark period in our history, in my opinion. The famous fact that Jackie Robinson couldn't stay with the rest of his team (until they stood up for him) because the team hotels wouldn't admit blacks was pretty low down. And even that we had Negro Baseball Leagues. That, during the second world war, blacks had to move off the sidewalks in the south when whites were going by...I mean, really??

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    An idea is not the same thing as physical property.
    again, did Edison own the light blub when he created it.......or did law by government give him the right of property to it?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    No, a patent is a man made law which the government protects.
    The argument was about how the labor that Edison provided towards the creation of the light bulb gave him a right to the light bulb he created. Patents are another matter all together.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    I mean do you feel the right to say to your neighbor that he may not operate a business without your permission, and then if he disobeys you to violate his person or property.
    Why ask me that?
    Everything in your life is a reflection of a choice you have made. If you want a different result, don't blame someone else, or expect others to make a change, you should stop complaining and make a different choice. Remember, the circumstances of your birth don't determine the outcome of your life.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    again, did Edison own the light blub when he created it.......or did law by government give him the right of property to it?
    That property came from an idea and then he needed to buy the goods to make it. He then was able to protect his idea but needs to pay to have those bulbs manufactured.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    How about this: "Do you think that blacks still belong at the back of the bus?" (Moved a word. Less accusatory. My bad.)

    I believe in Civil Rights laws that outlaw discrimination based on a variety of reasons, race being one. I have no problem with them.
    One of the things I really hate is how the term Civil Rights is now associated with acts of aggression, instead of being associated with the protection of natural rights like it once was.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Why ask me that?
    Trying to understand the statist ethic.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    That property came from an idea and then he needed to buy the goods to make it. He then was able to protect his idea but needs to pay to have those bulbs manufactured.
    The idea of the light bulb is entirely different from the light bulb he put his labor towards to create. You're purposely missing the point here it seems.

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