View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    38 33.04%
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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Again, the burden of proof is on the accuser.

    Thing is, should we give the stamp of legitimacy to discrimination? Or should we give the stamp of legitimacy to freedom from discrimination?

    Remember, men's-only voting had the stamp of legitimacy for almost half of America's history so far. Once women's suffrage was given the stamp of legitimacy, a lot of people (almost all men) didn't like it...but look how that particular stamp of legitimacy has changed our society. How many out there would even think of restricting a woman's right to vote?

    So it goes with laws either allowing or disallowing discrimination. The longer the laws are on the books, the more the society adapts to and accepts those laws...and they become a part of the social fabric.
    Actually you're referring to a law that demanded discrimination. That is easily differentiated (you might say discriminated) from laws that allow or disallow discrimination.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    article 1 section 8....To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations; ...
    not a Bob Marley fan? you are right though
    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    so your saying government can violate a right, because other people don't like how a person exercises his rights.......even though no other person rights are being violated.
    Where did I say: "...even though no other person's rights are being violated"? Not at all.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    not a Bob Marley fan? you are right though
    no sorry...dont like Bob Marley

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no sorry...dont like Bob Marley
    Oh well, I like honesty
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    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If someone is running a business that serves the general public, I have no problem with their right to discriminate being subjugated by laws against discrimination. They can discriminate to their heart's content at home, in the streets, in other businesses...but their own business? No. That's the little bit of freedom we must give up to be a civil society.
    So, to clarify, you feel as if you, yourself, have the right to violate the person or property of your neighbor in order to force him to do business against his will?

    Or do you still think that blacks belong at the back of the bus?
    Still think? How do you presume to pretend to know what I've ever thought?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    oh, so Edison had to get government approval of a right to the bulb?

    so rights come at the approval of government?
    No, a patent is a man made law which the government protects.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Where did I say: "...even though no other person's rights are being violated"? Not at all.

    i will rephrase.

    if a person exercise his right to property, and in exercising that right, he does not violate the rights of another person, or health and safety laws created by government, [which are designed to protect people], then by what authoirty does the government have to force a property owner to serve another citizen?

    first ...it defines the DOI....because force is being using on a citizen..the property owner....which violates the founding principles.

    second.. it violates the 13th amendment...which states no person can be forced to serve another citizen, unless convicted of a crime.......discrimination is not criminal law.......its administrative law.

    p.s...... i think your a good poster...so don't take anything personal please.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    So, to clarify, you feel as if you, yourself, have the right to violate the person or property of your neighbor in order to force him to do business against his will?

    Still think? How do you presume to pretend to know what I've ever thought?
    How about this: "Do you think that blacks still belong at the back of the bus?" (Moved a word. Less accusatory. My bad.)

    I believe in Civil Rights laws that outlaw discrimination based on a variety of reasons, race being one. I have no problem with them.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    No, a patent is a man made law which the government protects.
    patent law, is law which protects the natural right of property.

    if law is not written, HOW DOES ONE KNOW THE LAW?

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