View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Government creates the right to patent too.
    wrong.......government protects people by patent.....

    government is instituted to protect rights............IF rights did not need to be protected........government would not be needed.

    DOI- That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

    Madison- "if men were angels ,no government would be necessary"

    James Madison, Property
    29 Mar. 1792Papers 14:266--68

    This term in its particular application means "that dominion which one man claims and exercises over the external things of the world, in exclusion of every other individual."

    In its larger and juster meaning, it embraces every thing to which a man may attach a value and have a right; and which leaves to every one else the like advantage.

    In the former sense, a man's land, or merchandize, or money is called his property.

    In the latter sense, a man has a property in his opinions and the free communication of them.

    He has a property of peculiar value in his religious opinions, and in the profession and practice dictated by them.

    He has a property very dear to him in the safety and liberty of his person.

    He has an equal property in the free use of his faculties and free choice of the objects on which to employ them.

    In a word, as a man is said to have a right to his property, he may be equally said to have a property in his rights.

    Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions.

    Where there is an excess of liberty, the effect is the same, tho' from an opposite cause.

    Government is instituted to protect property of every sort; as well that which lies in the various rights of individuals, as that which the term particularly expresses. This being the end of government, that alone is a just government, which impartially secures to every man, whatever is his own.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    I'd like to ask any supporter of anti-discrimination laws: Do feel you have the right to violate the person or property of your neighbor in order to force him to do business with someone against his will?
    If someone is running a business that serves the general public, I have no problem with their right to discriminate being subjugated by laws against discrimination. They can discriminate to their heart's content at home, in the streets, in other businesses...but their own business? No. That's the little bit of freedom we must give up to be a civil society.

    Or do you still think that blacks belong at the back of the bus?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    We've got a long way to go before our civil rights laws protect pirates.
    pirates and their actions.........are a power of the federal government.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    wrong.......government protects people by patent.....

    government is instituted to protect rights............IF rights did not need to be protected........government would not be needed.

    DOI- That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

    Madison- "if men were angels ,no government would be necessary"

    James Madison, Property
    29 Mar. 1792Papers 14:266--68

    This term in its particular application means "that dominion which one man claims and exercises over the external things of the world, in exclusion of every other individual."

    In its larger and juster meaning, it embraces every thing to which a man may attach a value and have a right; and which leaves to every one else the like advantage.

    In the former sense, a man's land, or merchandize, or money is called his property.

    In the latter sense, a man has a property in his opinions and the free communication of them.

    He has a property of peculiar value in his religious opinions, and in the profession and practice dictated by them.

    He has a property very dear to him in the safety and liberty of his person.

    He has an equal property in the free use of his faculties and free choice of the objects on which to employ them.

    In a word, as a man is said to have a right to his property, he may be equally said to have a property in his rights.

    Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions.

    Where there is an excess of liberty, the effect is the same, tho' from an opposite cause.

    Government is instituted to protect property of every sort; as well that which lies in the various rights of individuals, as that which the term particularly expresses. This being the end of government, that alone is a just government, which impartially secures to every man, whatever is his own.
    That does not negate the fact government protects property with man made laws.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If someone is running a business that serves the general public, I have no problem with their right to discriminate being subjugated by laws against discrimination. They can discriminate to their heart's content at home, in the streets, in other businesses...but their own business? No. That's the little bit of freedom we must give up to be a civil society.

    Or do you still think that blacks belong at the back of the bus?
    so your saying government can violate a right, because other people don't like how a person exercises his rights.......even though no other person rights are being violated.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    pirates and their actions.........are a power of the federal government.
    Letters of Marque and Reprisal?

    Old pirates, yes, they rob I;
    Sold I to the merchant ships,
    Minutes after they took I
    From the bottomless pit.
    But my hand was made strong
    By the 'and of the Almighty.
    We forward in this generation
    Triumphantly.



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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    That does not negate the fact government protects property with man made laws.
    you stated government created the right to property

    government is instituted to protect property of every sort, ..by using written law to do it.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you stated government created the right to property

    government is instituted to protect property of every sort, ..by using written law to do it.
    I can't claim property on my own.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Letters of Marque and Reprisal?

    Old pirates, yes, they rob I;
    Sold I to the merchant ships,
    Minutes after they took I
    From the bottomless pit.
    But my hand was made strong
    By the 'and of the Almighty.
    We forward in this generation
    Triumphantly.
    article 1 section 8....To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations; ...

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I can't claim property on my own.
    oh, so Edison had to get government approval of a right to the bulb?

    so rights come at the approval of government?

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