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Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discrimination?

What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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rabbitcaebannog said:
They want it from you because you are selling it. The vile concept are attitudes that merchants should have a right to discriminate.
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and that property I have is my property not yours........the vile concept is thinking that everyone is equal BY law.

government has no authority to make people equal by law..only under the law.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
why are you applying constitutional law to the people?
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I'm not. I'm applying it to the public sphere, which includes businesses open to the public. Within the public sphere, the government is obligated to provide equal protection.

If you don't want blacks near you, don't open a business to the public. Easy enough?
 
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ernst barkmann said:
and that property I have is my property not yours.......
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No, the property you have you are selling to the public. If you don't want to sell it to the public then don't. That doesn't justify you withholding transaction with people you feel are less equal or worthy of you.
 
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ecofarm said:
I'm not. I'm applying it to the public sphere, which includes businesses open to the public. Within the public sphere, the government is obligated to provide equal protection.
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public sphere, ..you said that people have to treat people equality by law.

I stated government has to treat people equal by law, because that is constitutional law.

people don't have to treat you equally, because constitutional law, does not apply to the people
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
No, the property you have you are selling to the public. If you don't want to sell it to the public then don't. That doesn't justify you withholding transaction with people you feel are less equal or worthy of you.
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oh, so my property by me open to the public .gives you a lend on that property?

feel less than worthy?...here we are back to emotions governing law again!
 
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ernst barkmann said:
public sphere, ..you said that people have to treat people equality by law.
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Within the public sphere. Just like government employees (who are people) must do the same.

I stated government has to treat people equal by law, because that is constitutional law.
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And this includes protection in the public sphere.

people don't have to treat you equally, because constitutional law, does not apply to the people
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They do if they are employed within the public sphere, whether they are government or private employees.
 
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ecofarm said:
I'm not. I'm applying it to the public sphere, which includes businesses open to the public. Within the public sphere, the government is obligated to provide equal protection.
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....under the law. Which just so happens to have nothing to do with business operations.
 
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ecofarm said:
And this includes protection in the public sphere.
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No, it only includes matters dealing with the government. It has nothing to do with how businesses operate.
 
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ecofarm said:
Within the public sphere. Just like government employees (who are people) must do the same.



And this includes protection in the public sphere.



They do if they are employed within the public sphere, whether they are government or private employees.
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sorry I don't have to treat you fair.........that does not mean I can cheat you...it means I can sell a hammer to you for 10 bucks, but sell it to my friend for 1 buck.

but I cant advertise it at 5 bucks and make you pay 10...if I want I can give him the hammer free, right in front of you.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
oh, so my property by me open to the public .gives you a lend on that property?

feel less than worthy?...here we are back to emotions governing law again!
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What do you mean by lend? No one is trying to pry your property from your hands. If you are selling it then sell it. If you are not then don't. Just don't think you have some special right to look down on another and decide if they are worthy of your transaction. And, that is exactly what discrimination is about in case you don't understand that concept. You are judging the worth of someone over their traits.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
sorry I don't have to treat you fair.........that does not mean I can cheat you...it means I can sell a hammer to you for 10 bucks, but sell it to my friend for 1 buck.

but I cant advertise it at 5 bucks and make you pay 10...if I want I can give him the hammer free, right in front of you.
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Ooooh, you're so powerful!

*snicker*
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
What do you mean by lend? No one is trying to pry your property from your hands. If you are selling it then sell it. If you are not then don't. Just don't think you have some special right to look down on another and decide if they are worthy of your transaction. And, that is exactly what discrimination is about in case you don't understand that concept. You are judging the worth of someone over their traits.
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a lend, meaning ....a right to it.

look down your nose?...............that is an emotional based argument..........laws cannot be made on emotion, because what is wrong to me, maybe right to you, and what is right for me maybe wrong to you.

laws are to be structured on the protection of rights, not how the public feels about things.

if laws are based on feelings, we would have no rights.......if I had such a right as you want people to have, ..........Miley Cyrus was be out of show business, because she offends me
 
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Henrin said:
That isn't a constitutional amendment.
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It's law, and it applies to private business when open to the public. It would seem your claim is full of crap.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
I know your pain, it hurts when truth hits you hard.
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Your ability to give a hammer away for free leaves me in the depths of despair. I can only marvel at your greatness.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
a lend, meaning ....a right to it.

look down your nose?...............that is an emotional based argument..........laws cannot be made on emotion, because what is wrong to me, maybe right to you, and what is right for me maybe wrong to you.

laws are to be structured on the protection of rights, not how the public feels about things
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Um, transactions should not be made on an emotional basis. Is it so darn hard to ignore your emotions when making a transaction? The law isn't emotional btw:roll:
 
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ecofarm said:
It's law, and it applies to private business when open to the public. It would seem your claim is full of crap.
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Yeah, so? The Constitution only ensures that the government treat people equal under the law. My point.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
as stated property is property.........everything about you is property

your body, your labor, the things you obtain from that labor, your words, and ideas.

if a person has a right to property, it cover all property, not only the property you see fit.
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Where are you getting this idea from? We are people - not property. You are ascribing some absolute right where there is none. And all because you want to be a bigot.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
This is one of the few subjects on which I disagree with many of my fellow libertarians. I think the benefit of (most) anti-discrimination laws is ultimately worth the small sacrifice of some people's liberty.

If you want to open your business to the public, that is exactly what you're going to have to do.
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On this we agree.
 
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ecofarm said:
Your ability to give a hammer away for free leaves me in the depths of despair. I can only marvel at your greatness.
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I could give it to you for free, but you think I should be your slave, so I'm charging you fifty dollars for it.
 
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Henrin said:
I could give it to you for free, but you think I should be your slave, so I'm charging you fifty dollars for it.
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And I bet that makes you feel so powerful. With such wondrous power and virility, one would think a person would not be terrified of black people. I guess no matter how many hammers one over-charges for, they'll always have the big penis. Life is unfair.
 
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ecofarm said:
Your ability to give a hammer away for free leaves me in the depths of despair. I can only marvel at your greatness.
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I am glad you marvel at my abilities of greatness....you have my leave, if you so desire.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Um, transactions should not be made on an emotional basis. Is it so darn hard to ignore your emotions when making a transaction? The law isn't emotional btw:roll:
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are you kidding?... you are making it emotional, by stating looking "down your nose".........that has nothing to do with rights....only what you feel.

laws are created for the protection of rights.....not to make people feel good, because someone did something another did not like
 
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