View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    38 33.04%
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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    'Tis not, I'm afraid. It's apples to apples. Government takes land, but gives money. It's your very argument in fact. You're not "taking" property because you're giving money.
    No, different argument. You are not agreeing to give your land away like a store owner is agreeing to sell his goods.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Stupid double posts all over the place today.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    No, different argument. You are not agreeing to give your land away like a store owner is agreeing to sell his goods.
    The store owner is not agreeing to sell any and all of his goods to anyone who wanders in. They reserve right to refuse service. It's only a different argument once you've assumed ownership of another's property and labor.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The store owner is not agreeing to sell any and all of his goods to anyone who wanders in. They reserve right to refuse service.
    Not the same argument. Government claiming land when a person doesn't want to sell land is not the same as a person selling products because he does that as a business.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    No it's nothing akin to slavery. You're not being harmed. You get the same pay as any other person would pay for the same service or product. Slaves were harmed and not paid. You are simply being required to not stop the flow of the economy unless there is potential harm to you or your business. Since there is none, you can't. For them to have to get the product of service elsewhere is a hardship, even if it's a tiny hardship in some cases, it's a huge hardship in others, so it's best to draw the line cleanly where it is at.

    If you want to discriminate, have a private, by appointment only business.
    Lots of words and yet no understanding of slavery to be found. Do you disagree with the following definition of slavery?

    Slavery- a person who labors under coercion to satisfy another's desires.

    Yes or no?

    Of course, in chattel slavery people are seen as the property of someone else, but that is not a necessary condition of slavery.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Civil liberties protect rights of people.
    civil rights are privileges, ........they are not natural rights, they are legal rights.

    legal rights, do not override the natural rights of people which are endowed by the creator to man, ...legal rights are created by man.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    civil rights are privileges, ........they are not natural rights, they are legal rights.

    legal rights, do not override the natural rights of people which are endowed to man, ...legal rights are created by man.
    What if someone had a natural right to piss in your yard? You have a legal right not to allow them.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Not the same argument. Government claiming land when a person doesn't want to sell land is not the same as a person selling products because he does that as a business.
    It's pretty much exactly the same. It's a property owner not wanting to sell the property but being forced to by the guns of government. You just don't want to see it that way because you are trying to set up a specific outcome.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's pretty much exactly the same. It's a property owner not wanting to sell the property but being forced to by the guns of government. You just don't want to see it that way because you are trying to set up a specific outcome.
    No, not true. I could be against government trying to take someone's land away but against a merchant discriminating against a buyer.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    What if someone had a natural right to piss in your yard? You have a legal right not to allow them.
    not possible....your yard is your property....its a natural right [right to property].....no one can exercise a right on another persons property lawfully, unless you get permission from the owner

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