View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    In a public venue, more than one person's individual freedom, rights, and liberties are involved, period. Your right to discriminate in a public venue should not overrule someone else's right to the service or product. To imagine that individual freedoms is the end of the discussion is irresponsible. Yes, it's a part of the discussion, but not the entire discussion.
    But private business is not public. The government, of course, cannot discriminate.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Explain to me how you have a right to someone else's labor and property? You do realize you're describing the right to slaves, right?
    No it's nothing akin to slavery. You're not being harmed. You get the same pay as any other person would pay for the same service or product. Slaves were harmed and not paid. You are simply being required to not stop the flow of the economy unless there is potential harm to you or your business. Since there is none, you can't. For them to have to get the product of service elsewhere is a hardship, even if it's a tiny hardship in some cases, it's a huge hardship in others, so it's best to draw the line cleanly where it is at.

    If you want to discriminate, have a private, by appointment only business.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They are not. But the only way you can be entitled to the property is if you were somehow part owner of the property. Thus the entitlement in and of itself is proof of your usurpation of property. You're actually not entitled to another's property nor their labor.
    No one's claiming the property. The good or service will be paid for so your argument is not "taking" someone's property away.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But private business is not public. The government, of course, cannot discriminate.
    If you are open to the general public, you are a public business. If you are a government entity, you are not a public business, as you are not a business, you are the government.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    No one's claiming the property. The good or service will be paid for so your argument is not "taking" someone's property away.
    Yes, you are claiming the property and the labor. If a man has a cupcake, that's his cupcake. You are claiming it.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Ultimately, yes. Try not following a few, and see what happens.
    So, are you saying we should have no laws?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes, you are claiming the property and the labor. If a man has a cupcake, that's his cupcake. You are claiming it.
    No, if he decides he wants to keep it and not sell it he doesn't have to put it out for sale.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    If you are open to the general public, you are a public business. If you are a government entity, you are not a public business, as you are not a business, you are the government.
    Private business can discriminate, refuse service, etc. It happens a lot. You have no right to their property or labor. Public is only public if it's public. But if someone else is paying the bills, it's his, not yours.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    So, are you saying we should have no laws?
    Nope, some government force is justified. But it is backed by a gun.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    No one's claiming the property. The good or service will be paid for so your argument is not "taking" someone's property away.
    Eminent domain "pays" for the land too....and it's still taking someone's property away.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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