View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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  • The Right to Discriminate

    38 33.04%
  • Freedom From Discrimination

    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Well that is extreme 'all or nothing' thinking.
    That all government force is ultimately backed by the gun? No, it's not. It's just reality. Push hard enough, the gun comes out. Just because it may be masked behind fines and misdemeanors doesn't mean the force isn't ultimately backed by the gun.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Yeah, if someone is having a heart attack and dies the doctor who refused to treat him just didn't better his condition
    Pretty much.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Individual freedom is key, the rights and liberties of the individual do reign supreme. We're all responsible in a free society to uphold the responsibilities and repercussions of freedom else you lose it. Consequences aren't necessarily self-inflicted either.

    Any other trite, dismissive statement that doesn't actually deal with anything I have said left? Or are you done?
    In a public venue, more than one person's individual freedom, rights, and liberties are involved, period. Your right to discriminate in a public venue should not overrule someone else's right to the service or product. To imagine that individual freedoms is the end of the discussion is irresponsible. Yes, it's a part of the discussion, but not the entire discussion.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    In a public venue, more than one person's individual freedom, rights, and liberties are involved, period. Your right to discriminate in a public venue should not overrule someone else's right to the service or product. To imagine that individual freedoms is the end of the discussion is irresponsible. Yes, it's a part of the discussion, but not the entire discussion.
    Explain to me how you have a right to someone else's labor and property? You do realize you're describing the right to slaves, right?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Depends on the setting and how one defines and views the "discrimination."
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, you assume ownership the moment you claim entitlement to the property.
    No, property owners don't have the right to act like lords.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That all government force is ultimately backed by the gun? No, it's not. It's just reality. Push hard enough, the gun comes out. Just because it may be masked behind fines and misdemeanors doesn't mean the force isn't ultimately backed by the gun.
    Exactly. Don't pay the fine and watch the government use guns against you.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That all government force is ultimately backed by the gun? No, it's not. It's just reality. Push hard enough, the gun comes out. Just because it may be masked behind fines and misdemeanors doesn't mean the force isn't ultimately backed by the gun.
    So, all laws are backed by the government gun?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    No, property owners don't have the right to act like lords.
    They are not. But the only way you can be entitled to the property is if you were somehow part owner of the property. Thus the entitlement in and of itself is proof of your usurpation of property. You're actually not entitled to another's property nor their labor.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    So, all laws are backed by the government gun?
    Ultimately, yes. Try not following a few, and see what happens.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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