View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    it is money that allows the government to involve themselves in things, and take control ...without money government is limited in its capacity to do things....this was a problem of the government under the articles so confederation, no way to tax at all.

    government was given the power to tax trade, not people..........to tax people gives government power over people......the founders did not want that.........."the power to tax is the power to destroy"
    Well as you said, we can agree to disagree. The Founders did want all government funds to be raised via taxes on imported goods. But at that time, the American colonies were importing a whole lot of stuff and needed to export very little. There was no such thing as the global market we now have today. So the Founders would have to rethink that given the necessity of free markets to compete in the modern economic environment.

    Again for me the income tax is simple and, if a flat tax that everybody pays, is fair. The flat tax takes out of the equation almost all the ability of Congress to use taxes to manipulate the people. And a flat tax would be far less easy to manipulate than would any kind of value added or sales tax.

    The necessary functions of government must be funded. I am just looking at the most practical way to do that while removing a whole lot of ability of Congress to use the people's money to increase its own power, prestige, influence and personal wealth. And it would also remove a lot of Congress's ability to use our money to keep racism alive and well for Congress's own benefit too.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Well as you said, we can agree to disagree. The Founders did want all government funds to be raised via taxes on imported goods. But at that time, the American colonies were importing a whole lot of stuff and needed to export very little. There was no such thing as the global market we now have today. So the Founders would have to rethink that given the necessity of free markets to compete in the modern economic environment.

    Again for me the income tax is simple and, if a flat tax that everybody pays, is fair. The flat tax takes out of the equation almost all the ability of Congress to use taxes to manipulate the people. And a flat tax would be far less easy to manipulate than would any kind of value added or sales tax.

    The necessary functions of government must be funded. I am just looking at the most practical way to do that while removing a whole lot of ability of Congress to use the people's money to increase its own power, prestige, influence and personal wealth. And it would also remove a lot of Congress's ability to use our money to keep racism alive and well for Congress's own benefit too.
    The left would never support a flat tax-because we have the most progressive tax system in the world, where the top 10% of income earners pay 70% of the total income taxes. To make it a flat tax, this targeting of the wealthy would not occur-and the left is more concerned with punishing the rich than anything else.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    I think a flat tax is a great idea.
    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The left would never support a flat tax-because we have the most progressive tax system in the world, where the top 10% of income earners pay 70% of the total income taxes. To make it a flat tax, this targeting of the wealthy would not occur-and the left is more concerned with punishing the rich than anything else.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I think a flat tax is a great idea.
    Good luck getting your party behind it.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    I don't have a party, but thanks.
    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Good luck getting your party behind it.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Well as you said, we can agree to disagree. The Founders did want all government funds to be raised via taxes on imported goods. But at that time, the American colonies were importing a whole lot of stuff and needed to export very little. There was no such thing as the global market we now have today. So the Founders would have to rethink that given the necessity of free markets to compete in the modern economic environment.

    Again for me the income tax is simple and, if a flat tax that everybody pays, is fair. The flat tax takes out of the equation almost all the ability of Congress to use taxes to manipulate the people. And a flat tax would be far less easy to manipulate than would any kind of value added or sales tax.

    The necessary functions of government must be funded. I am just looking at the most practical way to do that while removing a whole lot of ability of Congress to use the people's money to increase its own power, prestige, influence and personal wealth. And it would also remove a lot of Congress's ability to use our money to keep racism alive and well for Congress's own benefit too.
    and as i said, to give anything the power to tax, gives them great power, ..if government has the power to tax you, it has power over you.

    when government turned over our money to the federal reserve ,it also took the power of money out of the hands of the people.

    taxation by force is a evil and vile power over the people.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The left would never support a flat tax-because we have the most progressive tax system in the world, where the top 10% of income earners pay 70% of the total income taxes. To make it a flat tax, this targeting of the wealthy would not occur-and the left is more concerned with punishing the rich than anything else.
    I know that. Currently the tax code is designed to increase the power, prestige, influence, and personal wealth of those in government.

    My argument here is what it SHOULD be. We currently have a government controlled by an authoritarian permanent political class that has every reason to use the tax code to benefit itself as well as keep racism and discrimination alive and well in order to benefit itself. I want to remove that permanent political class from power and the only way to do that is to bust the federal government back to its constitutional roots.
    For a discussion of the permanent political class see here: http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...ok-review.html
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I know that. Currently the tax code is designed to increase the power, prestige, influence, and personal wealth of those in government.

    My argument here is what it SHOULD be. We currently have a government controlled by an authoritarian permanent political class that has every reason to use the tax code to benefit itself as well as keep racism and discrimination alive and well in order to benefit itself. I want to remove that permanent political class from power and the only way to do that is to bust the federal government back to its constitutional roots.
    For a discussion of the permanent political class see here: http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...ok-review.html
    I know you know-im saying even though its a great idea, its not going to happen. Just look at all the class struggle bs presented by the left.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    TIA means thanks in advance. The whole reason for sexual harassment and discrimination law under The Civil Rights Act is to make sure people's rights are not being violated in a place of business. Business does have a code of ethics were owners, bosses, co-workers etc....are not allowed to engage in whatever the heck they please. One right ends where another right begins.
    In relation to the topic of the thread, what specific rights are being violated? Besides private property rights and freedom of association? What is beginning to end those two rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I know you know-im saying even though its a great idea, its not going to happen. Just look at all the class struggle bs presented by the left.
    Um....guys....just a suggestion.....you're starting to move a little too much off the topic. I mean I'm not a mod or anything, but that doesn't mean I can't give a nudge or two, eh?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Now just to be clear, what we are indeed arguing in favor of state enforced racism.
    No. That's not what I'm arguing. Having the state defend my right to choose my spouse (even if I only consider spouses of the same race) is not state enforced racism. Don't fall in a semantic trap and give up the meaning of words.

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