View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    For ****s sake fix your quotes guys.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And after you do that, explain how a state can pay a tax without any people in that state paying the tax. This I gotta hear.
    if you would read instead of creating your own fantasy, you would know taxes are levied on trade, ...trade is a voluntary action, ..no one is forced to engage in trade



    Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises
    By Library Answer Person On October 4, 2004 Leave a Comment In Government

    What are the respective differences between taxes, duties, imposts and excises? What does it mean concerning taxes when in the US Constitution it says “all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States”?

    This is from Article I, Section 8, of the Constitution: “The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States…”. The glossary from the U.S. Treasury Dept’s International Trade Data System http://www.itds.treas.gov/printglossaryfrm.html defines duty as “a tax levied by a government on the import or export of goods,” imposts as “a tax, especially an import duty,” and excise taxes as “taxes on the manufacture, sale, or consumption of goods, or upon licenses to pursue certain occupations, or upon corporate privileges,” which, they explain, in current usage covers about everything besides income taxes.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    For ****s sake fix your quotes guys.
    aim that at the HAY!

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Did anybody ever answer what "the right to discrimination" is and what type of discrimaintion are to use for this question that is based on fantasy?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Did anybody ever answer what "the right to discrimination" is and what type of discrimaintion are to use for this question that is based on fantasy?
    hmm...

    I suppose that, IMO, people have a right to discriminate on their private land, possibly on their private land even if it's publicly accessible (like a store), but if the property is in any way publicly owned, controlled, or supported, discrimination beyond the reasonable (no you can't smoke in the oxygen-tank filling room) is unacceptable.

    I think that's kinda how it works currently.


    As to what discrimination is, I'd say in a general way it's making a decision based on the available information and data on something.

    More specifically, unacceptable discrimination would be making a decision based upon things like race, sex, religion (except if in a religious field that requires such), or political position (except if in a political field that requires such).

    Whereas acceptable discrimination would be making a decision based on how an individual or system performed under fair testing (such as, for example, SAT scores).
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    hmm...

    1.)I suppose that, IMO, people have a right to discriminate on their private land, possibly on their private land even if it's publicly accessible (like a store), but if the property is in any way publicly owned, controlled, or supported, discrimination beyond the reasonable (no you can't smoke in the oxygen-tank filling room) is unacceptable.

    I think that's kinda how it works currently.


    2.)As to what discrimination is, I'd say in a general way it's making a decision based on the available information and data on something.

    More specifically, unacceptable discrimination would be making a decision based upon things like race, sex, religion (except if in a religious field that requires such), or political position (except if in a political field that requires such).

    Whereas acceptable discrimination would be making a decision based on how an individual or system performed under fair testing (such as, for example, SAT scores).
    1.) but what is "the right to discriminate"
    we are all free to discriminate so i dont understand that part of the question. Is there some example where people are losing that

    The question in the OP makes no sense to me since I havent seen or am unaware of anybody losing any freedoms

    2.) yeah the second part i totally get "freedom from discrimination" in SOME ways we do have that RIGHT and FREEDOM, you said acceptable and unacceptable which is legal or illegal and one version of that violates the law and rights and freedoms of others.

    so part two I totally get and can come up with perfect examples of how it could be legal or illegal and violate or not violate rights.

    I cant do that for the first part?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    no one has a right to be free, from people not liking you and people not wanting to deal with you.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no one has a right to be free, from people not liking you and people not wanting to deal with you.
    did somebody say they did?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Yeah, and everybody has cars, don't they? And when one's really sick, it's no big deal at all to go 30-45 minutes away instead of 5 minutes away, huh? Since when do minutes matter when one is sick or injured? What are the lives of those despicable poor people (of the wrong color) compared to protecting one's right to be racist?

    And y'all wonder why we keep pointing out racists among conservatives and Republicans - we do it because you have a LOT MORE...and your arguments are the reason why you have a lot more.
    You've (and not just you personally) still failed to answer the question posed a couple of times so far. But here let's just put it out again. I'll even rephrase it to make it easier to comprehend. What is the effective difference, in a place where there is only the one doctor (since that seems to be the current example), between a doctor discriminating against (a) particular group(s) of people, a doctor who shuts down instead of allowing the law to tell him/her whom (s)he will and will not conduct business with, and a doctor who dies while still running the business?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) but what is "the right to discriminate"
    we are all free to discriminate so i dont understand that part of the question. Is there some example where people are losing that

    The question in the OP makes no sense to me since I havent seen or am unaware of anybody losing any freedoms
    Are we free to discriminate? I would have to say that is depending on how you are applying the term. If it is merely in how we view things and our opinions, then you are perfectly right in that such freedom is in no way diminished. However, if it is in action, then the argument could be made that such a freedom has been limited. Now ultimately I see "right to discriminate" as a natural extension of private property rights and freedom of association. But there are those who want what is private property to not be private property for some purposes, and yet still treat it as private property for the purpose of taxes and other issues.

    2.) yeah the second part i totally get "freedom from discrimination" in SOME ways we do have that RIGHT and FREEDOM, you said acceptable and unacceptable which is legal or illegal and one version of that violates the law and rights and freedoms of others.
    acceptable and unacceptable could be legal, or it social or even both. It doesn't have to be one or the other. I believe that The Mark needs to clarify the context in which he used the term "unacceptable".
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    1.)Are we free to discriminate? I would have to say that is depending on how you are applying the term. If it is merely in how we view things and our opinions, then you are perfectly right in that such freedom is in no way diminished. However, if it is in action, then the argument could be made that such a freedom has been limited.

    2.)Now ultimately I see "right to discriminate" as a natural extension of private property rights and freedom of association.

    3.) But there are those who want what is private property to not be private property for some purposes, and yet still treat it as private property for the purpose of taxes and other issues.

    4.)acceptable and unacceptable could be legal, or it social or even both. It doesn't have to be one or the other. I believe that The Mark needs to clarify the context in which he used the term "unacceptable".
    1.) agreed
    yes people are 100% free to discriminate as long as it doesn't break the law or violate rights

    2.) again i simply dont see any "right" to discriminate, people are free to but i dont see a right per say.

    3.) as far as property right the same principles apply to us all. You have some freedoms the come with your private property but one still doesnt get to break the law or violate the rights of others

    4.) I can agree with that
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