View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you just called the idea of the founders "the mad hatter's idea"QUOTE]
    STOP IT AND STOP IT NOW!

    How long will you continue to hijack the Constitution and the Founders who wrote it?

    How long will you be blind to what is actually in it and not the nightmare fantasy that you want it to be?

    Where do you get the absurd idea that the founders endorsed a system with no compulsory taxation? Just where did this self imposed delusion bubble up from?
    Article I, Section 8, paragraph 1 gives Congress the power to lay and collect taxes. And paragraph 18 of that same section gives them the power to make all laws necessary to carry out and execute that power.

    You have really stepped into it this time.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

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    STOP IT AND STOP IT NOW!

    How long will you continue to hijack the Constitution and the Founders who wrote it?

    How long will you be blind to what is actually in it and not the nightmare fantasy that you want it to be?

    Where do you get the absurd idea that the founders endorsed a system with no compulsory taxation? Just where did this self imposed delusion bubble up from?
    Article I, Section 8, paragraph 1 gives Congress the power to lay and collect taxes. And paragraph 18 of that same section gives them the power to make all laws necessary to carry out and execute that power.

    You have really stepped into it this time.

    TAXES....... ARTICLE 1 SECTION 8, ARE TAXES PLACED ON THE STATES...NOT THE PEOPLE!..........THE 16TH AMENDMENT PLACES TAXES DIRECTLY ON THE PEOPLE


    THE ORIGINAL CONSTITUTION HAS............ NO DIRECT TAXES!!!!!!!!!!!


    ARTICLE 1 SECTION 9 CLAUSE 4......"No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken.



    Capitation----------------------> a direct uniform tax imposed on each head or person


    i put a question directly at you, CAN YOU SHOW WHERE IN THE POWERS OF CONGRESS....ARTICLE 1 SECTION 8...WHERE IT GIVES CONGRESS AUTHORITY OVER THE PEOPLE AND THEIR PERSONAL LIFE'S.


    PLEASE SHOW ANYONE OF THE CLAUSES OF THAT SECTION WHICH DOES THIS!


    the constitution creates FEDERALISM......IT DOES NOT CREATE A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE PEOPLE----------------------------------------->ANYONE WHO SAYS THIS IS WRONG!

    clause 18 gives the federal government powers to create FEDERAL LAWS, WHICH HAVE TO DO WITH THE FOREGOING POWERS ...WHICH ARE THE ONES IN ARTICLE 1 SECTION 8

    EXAMPLE,
    WE KNOW CONGRESS HAS THE POWER TO COIN MONEY.........HOWEVER THE CONSTITUTION DOES NOT SPELL OUT THE PUNISHMENT for what Counterfeiting MONEY is, all the constitution says is "To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States.

    so [necessary and proper clause ]implied powers means congress can make federal law, WHICH DEALS WITH PUNISHMENT OF THAT CRIME!!!


    again none!!!! of the powers of congress have anything to do with the PERSONAL LIFE'S OF THE PEOPLE..






    DON'T AVOID MY QUESTION....SHOW ME WHERE CONGRESS HAS AUTHORITY PER ANY OF THE CLAUSES, OVER THE PEOPLES LIFE'S!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

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    STOP IT AND STOP IT NOW!

    How long will you continue to hijack the Constitution and the Founders who wrote it?

    How long will you be blind to what is actually in it and not the nightmare fantasy that you want it to be?

    Where do you get the absurd idea that the founders endorsed a system with no compulsory taxation? Just where did this self imposed delusion bubble up from?
    Article I, Section 8, paragraph 1 gives Congress the power to lay and collect taxes. And paragraph 18 of that same section gives them the power to make all laws necessary to carry out and execute that power.

    You have really stepped into it this time.

    per the constitution article 1 section 8 clause 17, and constitutional convention notes, dealing with this clause on Sept 5 1787, ------------->the founders state the congress has no authority over state or private property.



    federalist 45 - The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former [ federal powers ]will be exercised principally on [external [order]objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the [internal order], improvement, and prosperity of the State.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Can you provide some examples of this claim?
    Absolutely. The ACA. The NSA expanding to nearly every American under Obama. The IRS. Birth control for 30 year old ivy league catholic colleges.
    It goes on. And in every case it was forced on the American people, by leftists. There are of course, many more.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Yeah, and everybody has cars, don't they? And when one's really sick, it's no big deal at all to go 30-45 minutes away instead of 5 minutes away, huh? Since when do minutes matter when one is sick or injured? What are the lives of those despicable poor people (of the wrong color) compared to protecting one's right to be racist?

    And y'all wonder why we keep pointing out racists among conservatives and Republicans - we do it because you have a LOT MORE...and your arguments are the reason why you have a lot more.
    You dont have a right to convenience, buddy. Your racism strawman is so predictable so as to be considered unremarkable.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    [QUOTE=ernst barkmann;1063248001]
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post


    TAXES....... ARTICLE 1 SECTION 8, ARE TAXES PLACED ON THE STATES...NOT THE PEOPLE!..........
    You made up the crap about taxes placed on states as IT DOES NOT SAY THAT IN THE CONSTITUTION.

    Your own twisted perversion of the Constitution is bad enough but when you have to resort to outright lying - that is way way way over the bounds of decency.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    I keep telling them that taxes are the price of admission to live in a nation - and higher taxes are the price for living in a first-world nation.

    But I guess the conservatives want something for nothing - they want all the rights and privileges of living in a first-world nation, but they don't want to have to pay for it. Case in point: Cliven Bundy.
    Said as if the democrat party isnt the party of confiscating wealth to redistribute for votes-and calling it virtuous. Its amazing how little insight you appear to have.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you just called the idea of the founders "the mad hatter's idea"

    compulsory taxes on the people is stealing any way you slice it!

    by the way.....government is supposed to be limited........HOWEVER ITS NOT....and for you to say it is.... when you know good and well the founders rejected education by the federal government at the constitutional convention, ..shows you will say anything!
    No insight is required of liberals. They get to emote and think its brilliant.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    [QUOTE=haymarket;1063247333]

    STOP IT AND STOP IT NOW!

    How long will you continue to hijack the Constitution and the Founders who wrote it?

    How long will you be blind to what is actually in it and not the nightmare fantasy that you want it to be?

    Where do you get the absurd idea that the founders endorsed a system with no compulsory taxation? Just where did this self imposed delusion bubble up from?
    Article I, Section 8, paragraph 1 gives Congress the power to lay and collect taxes. And paragraph 18 of that same section gives them the power to make all laws necessary to carry out and execute that power.

    You have really stepped into it this time.
    Irony thy name is haymarket.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    [QUOTE=ernst barkmann;1063248053]
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post


    per the constitution article 1 section 8 clause 17, and constitutional convention notes, dealing with this clause on Sept 5 1787, ------------->the founders state the congress has no authority over state or private property.



    federalist 45 - The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former [ federal powers ]will be exercised principally on [external [order]objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the [internal order], improvement, and prosperity of the State.
    You are babbling nonsense about paragraph 17. Pure unadulterated whackjob weirdo fringe nonsense with no support in the law or in any court decision for such an extreme view.

    The opinion of individuals writing 200 years or more ago is irrelevant next to the actual Constitution. Of course you should know this by know because it has been explained to you nearly hundreds of times by now.
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