View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Actually, it DOES mirror real life. I graduated high school in a small town that had ONE doctor and ONE supermarket - if you could call it that. And that town is still there today - I drove through there in February. There's LOTS more towns just like it, too, in rural America.
    And there are plenty of towns with NO medical care within the community. So people (gasp!) drive.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You could not be farther from reality. You advocate things which are simply not part of the real world.
    We are all part of the very same real world. I advocate for the idea that it is wrong to initiate aggression against the person or property of others. You know, the basic rules of civil behavior you probably learned in kindergarten: Don't hit people and don't take their stuff.

    You, on the other hand, are a champion of government aggression, and yet you offer no justification for your position. I'm sorry, but I'm just not buying it. You can't convince me that it is perfectly fine for one person's property to be taken by force by others.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Not a champion of anything but the US Constitution and the people of the USA and their elected government which represents them.
    And having people's property taken by force by other people who have decided they want it.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Actually, it DOES mirror real life. I graduated high school in a small town that had ONE doctor and ONE supermarket - if you could call it that. And that town is still there today - I drove through there in February. There's LOTS more towns just like it, too, in rural America.
    And what would happen to everyone in that town if the doctor had suddenly dropped dead? How would they have managed?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    You say you're from a small village in Alaska. I grew up about eight miles from a very small town in the MS Delta. When I was there, the only doctor in tow still had "white" and "colored" entrances to his office. The signs were painted over a solid green, but paint doesn't hide inch-deep chiseled words too well. This was in 1984, twenty years after the Civil Rights Act.

    In the summer of 2012, I visited my family's house there again, and I noticed that there was not a single Obama bumper sticker or campaign sign or t-shirt to be seen...which was pretty odd since Sunflower County, MS, is 71% black. One would think there'd be Obama signs everywhere, right? So I talked to a black friend of mine there named Eddie (who knew I'd become a bleeding-heart liberal) why there were no Obama signs, and he looked back at me - sad, sad eyes - and said, "Pete, you know why". And he was right - I did know why. Any black person there who was so 'uppity' as to display an Obama sign would find himself out of a job pretty quickly, or his family member(s) would. That's just the way it is there.

    What I'm getting to is that racism is still strong in America - it's more common than you might think. And if people are allowed to discriminate, then that gives legitimacy to their racism. Is that really what you want?
    If you want to end personal racism, then you must convince people to change their attitudes, not merely force them to change their behavior.

    But just as with the green paint you mention, forced behavior only puts a thin covering over attitudes which will still find a way to express themselves.

    Shame people, and they will usually try to improve. Enlighten them, and they will strive to be better. Educate them and they will usually come to find a way to apply the knowledge that they gain. But coerce them, and they will often try to thwart you and twist your intent.

    We have so many tools to convince people. But their use and application requires work, patience and diligence. But just like using a little cheap paint to cover a deeply incised affront, passing decrees is so much easier, whether they yield good results or not.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    1: People have a right to life, a doctor not treating them endangers that life. The government has a valid power in ensuring that people get medical attention.
    2: Most private doctors do not have the tools necessary to carry out life saving surgury in their clinics. As such they must send the patient to the hospital if such is needed. Those hospitals are generally called "community hospitals" for a reason. They are funded in large part due to contributions and government monies. Which makes them public hospitals and therefore under the same mandate that any other government institution would be regarding discrimination. Not allowed to.

    This applies to any privately owned business also. If you take money from the government then you are in essence employed by the government to provide a service, as such you are under the same mandate of non-discimination.
    What? And who would we blame for the dead if no doctors existed at all? Where would your right to life be then? I'm not following this at all.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I doubt it, the govt will demand taxation at the very least. Welcome to the world.
    Then you need your own island nation with you as the government then you can truly do what you want - to be left alone. Otherwise you have made a voluntary decision to live in a society where things like taxation and limits on your behavior are part of the game. Its up to you.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    This is a cop out. When its something you dont like, you will use every technique possible to circumvent the Constitution and the people of the USA.
    Please provide verifiable evidence that I attempt to circumvent the Constitution of the USA.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    We are all part of the very same real world. I advocate for the idea that it is wrong to initiate aggression against the person or property of others. You know, the basic rules of civil behavior you probably learned in kindergarten: Don't hit people and don't take their stuff.

    You, on the other hand, are a champion of government aggression, and yet you offer no justification for your position. I'm sorry, but I'm just not buying it. You can't convince me that it is perfectly fine for one person's property to be taken by force by others.
    Of course nobody can convince you since you have already made an ideological decision to accept certain beliefs with no regard for pragmatics or what is necessary to run a railroad so to speak. You will never "buy it" since you have already bought a bill of goods and that is a matter of faith with you.

    You mention rules you learned in kindergarten and refer to "don't hit people and don't take their stuff".

    I too am a big fan of that book and feel it is true wisdom. Lets get the rules straight first

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    All I really need to know about how to live and what to do and how to be I learned in kindergarten. Wisdom was not at the top of the graduate school mountain, but there in the sand pile at school.

    These are the things I learned:
    Share everything.
    Play fair.
    Don't hit people.
    Put things back where you found them.
    Clean up your own mess.
    Don't take things that aren't yours.
    Say you're sorry when you hurt somebody.
    Wash your hands before you eat.
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    Warm cookies and cold milk are good for you.
    Live a balanced life - learn some and think some and draw and paint and sing and dance and play and work every day some.
    Take a nap every afternoon.
    When you go out in the world, watch out for traffic, hold hands and stick together.
    Be aware of wonder. Remember the little seed in the Styrofoam cup: the roots go down and the plant goes up and nobody really knows how or why, but we are all like that.
    Goldfish and hamsters and white mice and even the little seed in the Styrofoam cup - they all die. So do we.
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    There is nothing in there about elevating personal selfishness to your guiding principle in life. It does talk about sharing everything. It talks about playing fair. It talks about balance in life. It talks about helping each other and working with others.

    That is what you are missing. Yes - don't hit people and don't take what does not belong to you. But personal property can be taxed and that does indeed belong to the peoples government as written in the Constitution and enacted in law. So it is no longer yours and is not your stuff to take.

    It mentions balance and I have repeatedly taken the position that balance in rights is what it is all about. Rights tend to be things you have to use common sense about - no right to yell FIRE in a crowded theater for example. No right to sacrifice willing virgins upon your religions altar. No right to just walk in and election day and announce you want to vote if you have not complied with the rules and restrictions laid down about voting. Its all about balance the rights of the individual with the 315 million people in society.

    We might all be part of the physical world but when I say you live in a different world I am speaking that you have made an intellectual decision to NOT live in this one with its basic rules, regulations, laws, and limits that you object to. Thats okay as people all through history have objected to such things. The Pilgrims also did and they left the society they objected to since they could not change it and came here.

    You should use them as your example in this matter since you are NOT going to abolish eminent domain, roll back the clock to allow the freedom to segregate, or abolish taxation.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    And having people's property taken by force by other people who have decided they want it.
    The Founders who gave us the Constitution, every President and every Congress have joined seeing the necessity to take property - by force if necessary. That is simply the nation we live in.
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