View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The BOR does not give the govt power, rather it tells the govt what it CANT do. Please get educated.
    Amendment V clearly contains language which authorizes the use of eminent domain in the USA as it mandates payment for when it is used. The practical end result is the same.Your nitpicking is a distinction without a difference.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Um, yes I am. In particular, I object to the legislation that makes it a crime for a person to control access to his property and to exclude those with whom he does not wish to trade.



    Nope. I am objecting to legislation that congress opted to enact, not to the bill of rights.
    Quote the exact piece of legislation which you object to. Which law is that exactly? When was it passed? What does it do? Lets see this piece of legislation that you object to.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Quote the exact piece of legislation which you object to. Which law is that exactly? When was it passed? What does it do? Lets see this piece of legislation that you object to.
    You acknowledge that discrimination is currently against the law, do you not? That's the law I'm talking about.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    You acknowledge that discrimination is currently against the law, do you not? That's the law I'm talking about.
    That's not a single law. A lot centers around CRA but that is not the only piece of legislation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    That's not a single law. A lot centers around CRA but that is not the only piece of legislation.
    That's exactly my point. It's legislation that congress opted to enact. And to object to those particular pieces of legislation has nothing to do with the constitution.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    You acknowledge that discrimination is currently against the law, do you not? That's the law I'm talking about.
    I have no idea what you are talking about. You were objecting to the use of eminent domain even though a clear process for it is authorized in the Constitution. You claim it is legislation you object to and not the Constitutional language. Quote the exact piece of legislation which you object to. Which law is that exactly? When was it passed? What does it do? Lets see this piece of legislation that you object to.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have no idea what you are talking about. You were objecting to the use of eminent domain even though a clear process for it is authorized in the Constitution.
    Oh so you're back on eminent domain. Okay.

    You claim it is legislation you object to and not the Constitutional language. Quote the exact piece of legislation which you object to. Which law is that exactly? When was it passed? What does it do? Lets see this piece of legislation that you object to.
    Nope. I'm not going to quote the legislation. Do your own homework.

    You say you taught government, and yet you don't know that congress writes legislation when it chooses to exercise its powers? Come on now, seriously?

    Let me explain then. The constitution grants congress the power to enact laws. Congress may choose to exercise a particular power or not. For example, congress has the power to declare war. This means that they may opt to declare war, or they may opt not to declare war. Congress is not required to declare war.

    So you see, there is a difference between congress being allowed to do something and congress actually opting to do that thing.

    I oppose congress opting to exercise its power of eminent domain through legislation, because I consider it unethical to forcibly take the property of others. Frankly, I don't see why this is so difficult for you to understand.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post



    Nope. I'm not going to quote the legislation.
    So you DO NOT object o the Constitutional power but you DO object to the legislation but when challenged CANNOT provide any such legislation.

    Got it loud and clear.

    So you see, there is a difference between congress being allowed to do something and congress actually opting to do that thing.
    Actually, in the real world with real people and government acting to solve real problems - the end result is the same so there really is no practical difference. You give government a basic power that governments all over the world use to conduct normal business and its going to be used as a matter of course. Again, you try to preach about a distinction without a difference.

    I oppose congress opting to exercise its power of eminent domain through legislation, because I consider it unethical to forcibly take the property of others. Frankly, I don't see why this is so difficult for you to understand.
    You got it wrong. I DO understand your position. Its the typical right libertarian pie-in-the-sky nonsense based on axioms and personal beliefs which are absolutely divorced from the real world the rest of us live in where there are consequences for ones political positions. The right libertarian has no political power so they can take any absurd or inane position they want to take since there are never any consequences for the silly positions they take.

    So I do understand your position perfectly.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually, in the real world with real people and government acting to solve real problems - the end result is the same so there really is no practical difference. You give government a basic power that governments all over the world use to conduct normal business and its going to be used as a matter of course. Again, you try to preach about a distinction without a difference.
    You seem to be having difficulty understanding my position on eminent domain, so I'll put this as simply and succinctly as possible:

    I oppose eminent domain.

    I oppose it because it is wrong to use force in order to take what belongs to other people.

    I hope this helps clear up your confusion.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    You seem to be having difficulty understanding my position on eminent domain, so I'll put this as simply and succinctly as possible:

    I oppose eminent domain.

    I oppose it because it is wrong to use force in order to take what belongs to other people.

    I hope this helps clear up your confusion.
    There is no confusion. Your position is crystal clear and in fact could not be any clearer if you posted it fifty more times today. But you got it wrong. I DO understand your position. Its the typical right libertarian pie-in-the-sky nonsense based on axioms and personal beliefs which are absolutely divorced from the real world the rest of us live in where there are consequences for ones political positions. The right libertarian has no political power so they can take any absurd or inane position they want to take since there are never any consequences for the silly positions they take.

    So I do understand your position perfectly.
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