View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Says the master who feels he has divine right to dictate how other people must allow others access to their property.
    When a business owner opens his doors to the public, he has a civic responsibility to uphold the civil rights of every customer. If he doesn't want to open the door to the public, he can exchange with his friends and family as he pleases.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    When a business owner opens his doors to the public, he has a civic responsibility to uphold the civil rights of every customer.
    Customers don't have a right to have access to the property of others. The property owner is the only one with the right to control access to his property.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Customers don't have a right to have access to the property of others. The property owner is the only one with the right to control access to his property.
    Open to the public does mean the public has access to a business.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Is it fascist to tell a business owner he can't sexually harass someone?
    False comparison. Can you at least have the fortitude to argue the actual point?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Open to the public does mean the public has access to a business.
    Open to other individuals, you mean.

    No one has a right to use force to coerce his fellow man to allow access to his own property. Neither you, nor anyone else, has the divine right to control your fellow man.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Open to other individuals, you mean.

    No one has a right to use force to coerce his fellow man to allow access to his own property. Neither you, nor anyone else, has the divine right to control your fellow man.
    then explain this sign.

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    should buissnesses be allowed to place signs like that?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    I've occasionally wondered what would happen if all privately owned land/buildings/businesses/whatever, regardless of public access, was allowed to discriminate in whatever way they wished.

    Would we have stores that only allowed white people? Or black people?

    Would they stay afloat or be boycotted?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by reconmark View Post
    Btw, a directive, order or request that a certain race of people be refused admittance to a popular venue open to the public, is violating someone's rights.
    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    The entire point is they are violating someone else's right.

    Which right?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Wonderful. Except you forgot to tell us what JUST is.
    A subjective term, much the same as right (vs wrong) and morals (for the most part), that typically implies fairness, which in and of itself is another subjective term.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    So if people can't eat or can't see the doctor because the only places in town won't serve them because of their skin color or religion, that's fine with you.
    Sounds like the perfect opportunity to open a business that you will have no competition for. And of course there is the other possibility: "You want to tell me how to run my business? Fine. I'll shut down and there will be no <insert type that there is only one of in town>." Now what? Are you going to make a law that says that the only one of a particular type of business not only has to serve those he doesn't want to against his will but also have to conduct business period against his will?

    Understand that in the same way that a person who opposes abortions but fight to maintain them legal for those who do not believe as he does, so we are when it comes to personal property rights and freedom of association. We would oppose the actions of such an eatery or doctor while still fighting for their right to do the improper action.

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    Yes, business isn't personal.
    Opinion. Nothing more.

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    No, no one should play master including the business owner. People should be treated like humans unless they are not acting appropriate.
    Then why are you playing master to order someone to engage in business with someone they don't want to?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    He shouldn't have his business open to public access if he wants to exclude people.
    Key point. Others calling it public access doesn't make it so. Public is public, which is part of the collective. If it is public then there is no need to tax it or it's sales anymore than you tax government offices for the revenue they bring in. If you are taxing it, it must be private.

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Is it fascist to tell a business owner he can't sexually harass someone?
    Since sexual harassment is not limited to a business owner this is an improper example at best and a red herring at worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    then explain this sign.

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    should buissnesses be allowed to place signs like that?
    Quite simply yes. Also there could be the sign "We cater to black trade only", or "We cater to all but redheaded trade". Even a sign that says "No punk clothing allowed"
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    then explain this sign.

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    should buissnesses be allowed to place signs like that?
    Frankly, I think they should. It is of course illegal, but if it was not the owner of that business would have to deal with the repercussions of such a decision. Im thinking it would not be well received, and he would have a tough time staying open.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Would they stay afloat or be boycotted?
    This is an improper either/or since both situations could occur simultaneously. The ability to stay afloat would depend upon the amount of boycotting in comparison to the local (relatively speaking) trade population.
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