View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    I would ask that the mods remedy reconmark in Post #2020 attributing words to me in the quote box that I did not say and would not say.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I would ask that the mods remedy reconmark in Post #2020 attributing words to me in the quote box that I did not say and would not say.
    How about just acting like an adult and not a crybaby. If you think I incorrectly attributed something to you be adult and say so. I'm adult enough to correct my own mistakes.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is a distinction without a difference as we have been over many many many times. Your personal standard is irrelevant next to the Constitution. It is simply nothing.
    You seem to be unaware that there is a difference between the constitution and a particular piece of legislation enacted by congress. One can certainly support the constitution and oppose a particular piece of legislation.

    My personal standard does not apply to the constitution, but I use it to judge whether or not congress ought to opt to enact any particular piece of legislation.

    If a piece of legislation violates the non-aggression principle, I will oppose it. I understand that you support taking the property of others, but I consider this unethical, which is why argue against such legislation.

    And to get back to the thread, none of us has the divine right to tell our fellow man who he must allow on his property or with whom he must exchange. We are all equals. Some are not masters and some are not slaves.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    The one thing that should not happen is that force should not be initiated against the body or property of the doctor or store owner. Any other course of action is legitimate.
    So if people can't eat or can't see the doctor because the only places in town won't serve them because of their skin color or religion, that's fine with you.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    So if people can't eat or can't see the doctor because the only places in town won't serve them because of their skin color or religion, that's fine with you.
    Answering for myself, thats not fine-but neither is forcing the towns doctor with his private practice to see anyone.
    As much as you might want it to be, we dont live in Cuba.
    Its remarkable watching lefties come out of their shell and exhibiting their pocket statist tendencies.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    So if people can't eat or can't see the doctor because the only places in town won't serve them because of their skin color or religion, that's fine with you.
    No. It's not fine with me. However, I do not condone the initiation of violence against my fellow man, so I can't support a law that uses violence (or the threat thereof) to coerce someone to engage in trade against his will.

    However, I'm sure the doctor has friends, children, relatives, associates, and suppliers who can influence him to change his ways .

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Nobody with any business sense would do that because of the bad reputation it would give him with his other patrons. But if a business owner was that stupid, and his customers left him because of it, well so be it. He has no right to have customers who don't want to do business with him.

    But you still are dancing all around the principle involved here. We each have the right to our own opinions, thoughts, beliefs, and attitudes or we don't. If we don't, then somebody else is given power to dictate those to us and we have no liberty, no unalienable rights, no other real rights of any kind.

    For one person to presume the moral authority to dictate to another person what that person must speak, think, believe, appreciate, or whatever or else he/she will be subject to an angry, viscious attack on his/her person or property by some self-righteous mob is just plain unAmerican. It is wrong. It is evil. And no person with any sense of liberty, unalienable rights, justice, or right and wrong should condone it.
    People aren't telling you what to think or believe/appreciate. All that is being expected is for each consumer to be treated like humans. You are still free to dislike them or believe whatever the heck you like. Those attitudes shouldn't spill over into conducting business.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I have walked out of a restaurant when the proprietor refused service to a young black man. I have refused to do business with a dry cleaners who refused to accept dry cleaning from a local Hispanic family. I am not any kind of fan of those who would discriminate against somebody because of their race or ethnicity. But nobody questioned the right of either proprietor to run their business as they saw fit. There was no organized protest. No threats. No violence of any kind. Just a quiet boycott among people who preferred to do business with those they saw as more fair and just in their business practices and each making up their minds on their own about that.

    Both of those proprietors eventually came around and changed their policies, if not their attitudes. And they got their customers back. The people didn't see their attitudes as anybody's business. So long as the business practices were ethical and just, that was sufficient. That is the way it should work at all times. Not people dictating to others who and what they have to be in order to be acceptable. But a culture simply living their individual live with their own individual code of ethics. It was effective. It was American. It was good.
    Many times people use boycotts when these types of things happen. That wouldn't be necessary if business practices are were ethical and just.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    People aren't telling you what to think or believe/appreciate. All that is being expected is for each consumer to be treated like humans. You are still free to dislike them or believe whatever the heck you like. Those attitudes shouldn't spill over into conducting business.
    When you presume to dictate to a person what he/she must do with his/her own private property or else, that is the same thing. The thought police should have no power to dictate to us how we must use our private property than they should have power to dictate to us what is proper for us to think, write, speak.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    When you presume to dictate to a person what he/she must do with his/her own private property or else, that is the same thing. The thought police should have no power to dictate to us how we must use our private property than they should have power to dictate to us what is proper for us to think, write, speak.
    No, it doesn't.

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