View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You are asking me to prove that you live in a society and benefit from it like almost every other American when your own actions typing on a computer and posting here prove the very thing you are trying to deny? Even other posters can see through that tactic.
    If you make an assertion, you need to prove it.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    If you make an assertion, you need to prove it.
    As others have noted, you have proven it for me simply by typing those words and posting them here.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    As others have noted, you have proven it for me simply by typing those words and posting them here.
    Okay, here's a serious question: Do you consider Lincoln to be a hypocrite because he lived in a country that was built by slave labor? Why or why not?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Sexual harassment requires participation and/or contribution by another person without agreement or consent of that person. This has been explained to you a number of times now why that is totally different that a person's right to his OWN person and property. Discrimination should be illegal ONLY if it requires participation or contribution by another person without that person's consent.
    Um, no it doesn't. A person can still be sexually harassed and not have anyone lay a hand on them. That means, NO participation or contribution needed by the victim. Sexual harassment has more to do with power than sex. That is the whole point. The same goes with discrimination. It has to do with power. When someone is running a business, they should treat all humans as humans unless that human decides not to act like a human. At that point, a business owner has every right to kick them off their property.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    You can believe that, if you want.



    No, property owners don't have limitless rights. Nobody's saying that.

    However, you are discriminating against a particular group of property owners, and you are taking away a right that from them that all other property owners have. That is the power structure you want to impose.
    No, it's not. No power structure in treating humans like humans. That's equality.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    If you make an assertion, you need to prove it.
    I did by using your own post and the actions behind it. And others have agreed. You lost your argument.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Okay, here's a serious question: Do you consider Lincoln to be a hypocrite because he lived in a country that was built by slave labor? Why or why not?
    Which positions of Lincoln are you using to compare to his living in America and evidencing hypocrisy?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Which positions of Lincoln are you using to compare to his living in America and evidencing hypocrisy?
    His anti-slavery position. He said that he opposed slavery, but benefited from a society build upon slavery. Do you consider him a hypocrite for this?

    Or perhaps William Wilberforce. He benefited from slavery, yet he opposed slavery and supported its abolition. Do you consider him to be a hypocrite?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    His anti-slavery position. He said that he opposed slavery, but benefited from a society build upon slavery. Do you consider him a hypocrite for this?

    Or perhaps William Wilberforce. He benefited from slavery, yet he opposed slavery and supported its abolition. Do you consider him to be a hypocrite?
    That would depend on how he used the benefits of slavery in his life the way you use the benefits of eminent domain in your life. Lincoln live at a time when areas of the nation were apart and isolated and it is possible that the area he lived in had no actual benefit from slavery which he himself benefitted from. I would he happy to explore that with you if you could simply provide

    1 - the statements from Lincoln in question
    2- the benefits Lincoln gained from slavery despite his words

    It could very well be that Lincoln was a hypocrite. I am open to that possibility. You simply need to provide the information.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That would depend on how he used the benefits of slavery in his life the way you use the benefits of eminent domain in your life. Lincoln live at a time when areas of the nation were apart and isolated and it is possible that the area he lived in had no actual benefit from slavery which he himself benefitted from. I would he happy to explore that with you if you could simply provide

    1 - the statements from Lincoln in question
    2- the benefits Lincoln gained from slavery despite his words

    It could very well be that Lincoln was a hypocrite. I am open to that possibility. You simply need to provide the information.
    Okay, so Lincoln may have been a hypocrite. So far I seem to be in good company.

    How about the William Wilberforce? Would you also consider him a hypocrite for enjoying the benefits of a society that profited from slavery while all the while "talking the talk but not walking the walk"?

    Also, how about a Moscow citizen in the 1950, who gets his bread directly from the Ministry of Food and Agriculture. If this citizen believes that food production ought to be privatized, yet he continues to stand in the six hour bread lines to get his bread, is he a hypocrite?

    Or how about the anarchists demonstrating at Haymarket Square in Chicago. They benefited from the production that resulted from 10 hour work day. Were they hypocrites for wanting an 8 hour workday, when they themselves were benefiting from the goods produced in sweatshop conditions?

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