View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is a silly and inane argument that denies the reality of the world we live in and necessity to NOT allow one stubborn or greedy individual to stop a communities progress or hold them up for a kings ransom - and apparently the Founders knew this and provided accordingly in Amendment language which prevents this.
    Yes, I understand that you condone taking what belongs to others when it furthers your ends. I will continue to argue against such taking, as I oppose the violation of others' body and property.

    However, I'm not sure why you have changed the topic to eminent domain. We were discussing the use of government force to prevent your fellow Americans from controlling access to their own property.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Yes, which is why I said that my problem is not with the constitution, since the constitution does not require that any person be denied the ability to control access to his property.
    The Constitution allows it so you problem is indeed with the Constitution.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Yes, I understand that you condone taking what belongs to others when it furthers your ends. I will continue to argue against such taking, as I oppose the violation of others' body and property.

    However, I'm not sure why you have changed the topic to eminent domain. We were discussing the use of government force to prevent your fellow Americans from controlling access to their own property.
    My "ends" have nothing to do with it.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The Constitution allows it so you problem is indeed with the Constitution.
    Nope. My problem is with the enabling legislation Congress opted to pass, not the constitution.

    I oppose federal legislation that uses government force to prevent my fellow Americans from controlling access to their own property.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I freely admit the map isn't the territory-but mother jones? For real?
    And that is why when someone references a strongly right-wing site, I STILL read what it has to say - because what's important isn't who says a thing, but whether that thing is accurate and in proper context.

    Remember a couple weeks ago the brouhaha about some supervisor named Linda over at the IRS targeting the Tea Party? The post referenced some right-wing site...so I read it, researched it on other sites, and found out the right-wing site was right, and because of that I must support the continuing investigation.

    So...it's not who says a thing - it's whether that thing is accurate and in proper context. Please feel free to criticize what MJ published if you can find flaws in their work.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Nope. My problem is with the enabling legislation Congress opted to pass, not the constitution.

    I oppose federal legislation that uses government force to prevent my fellow Americans from controlling access to their own property.
    Good for you. You are a man of strong beliefs. Too bad your actions do not match those stated beliefs.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Good for you. You are a man of strong beliefs. Too bad your actions do not match those stated beliefs.
    Exactly. You support the policy of using government force to restrict the ability of your fellow man to control access to his own property. I oppose this policy. I oppose policies that initiate violence against the person or property of my fellow man, since I consider the initiation of violence to be unethical. I take you you consider it justified to use force against your fellow man in order to restrict his ability to control access to his own property. What makes you feel you are justified in doing so?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    He and I have had this discussion many many many times. It is reality that Federalist
    1 - says that he is against the practice of eminent domain
    2- freely uses the results of eminent domain in his daily life
    I ask this of both Haymarket and Federalist: Has Federalist actually admitted that he uses some sort of government (any level) owned property that has been taked under the use of eminent domain? Additionally does he use this facility(s) freely, because he wants to or is it because the specific facility is something that he needs to do under necessary circumstances and thus does not really have a choice. e.g. an MVA office.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    I ask this of both Haymarket and Federalist: Has Federalist actually admitted that he uses some sort of government (any level) owned property that has been taked under the use of eminent domain? Additionally does he use this facility(s) freely, because he wants to or is it because the specific facility is something that he needs to do under necessary circumstances and thus does not really have a choice. e.g. an MVA office.
    Federalist doesn't freely use the results of eminent domain in his daily life. Haymarket, as usual, makes many assumptions, which is why he is mistaken.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Federalist doesn't freely use the results of eminent domain in his daily life. Haymarket, as usual, makes many assumptions, which is why he is mistaken.
    I am assuming that you may unknowingly use such facilities. Do you use any such facilities due to no alternative? I am also asking Haymarket to put up or shut up on his assertion
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