View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Yes - and that was certainly the benefit of the period. It also was a terrible period when government was firmly on the side of wealth and corporations and ran roughshod over the average American. This was obvious in the area of labor law where the gross inequality manifested itself in our nation in many areas creating a large and exploited underclass.

    Raw, unrestrained capitalism is an excellent vehicle for economic growth providing we are willing to look the other way at the mountain of bodies left in its wake.

    There is much material on this

    Age of Betrayal: The Triumph of Money in America, 1865-1900: Jack Beatty: 9781400040285: Amazon.com: Books

    Amazon.com: Altgeld's America: The Lincoln Ideal Versus Changing Realities (9780910129480): Ray Ginger: Books

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/18/arts/18grim.html?_r=0

    Amazon.com: 1877: Year of Violence eBook: Robert V. Bruce: Books

    this general article provides a wealth of sources on such things as labor strife and the other economic ills that grew directly from the imbalance of power during this period

    Gilded Age - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The world was a difficult place everywhere during that period but the fact is that millions came to America from all over the world at that time in order to have greater opportunities in their for themselves and their families, and most found them. It may have taken a generation or two for their dreams to come true but, by and large, they did. Millions arriving with nothing at all managed to rise up in the world, a remarkable achievement and one not equaled at any other time in recorded history.

    Use some perspective.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Well there was the missing word in the last quote. I don't know what his position is
    sorry - I left out the word OPPOSE as the poster in question has many many times expressed opposition to the power of eminent domain even though it is in the US Constitution.
    Last edited by haymarket; 05-01-14 at 06:33 PM.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    I oppose the use of eminent domain.
    Limited opposition as in there is legitimate use for it or blanket oppose it's wrong under all conditions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Interesting. From the bit I scanned over they look like inverted libertarians; socially conservative and financially liberal as opposed to socially liberal and financially conservative. Of course we can't look for something like your "blue dogs" in the GOP. They're already libertarians.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The world was a difficult place everywhere during that period but the fact is that millions came to America from all over the world at that time in order to have greater opportunities in their for themselves and their families, and most found them. It may have taken a generation or two for their dreams to come true but, by and large, they did. Millions arriving with nothing at all managed to rise up in the world, a remarkable achievement and one not equaled at any other time in recorded history.

    Use some perspective.
    None of which denies the terrible economic and political conditions of the Gilded Age.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Wow, you're calling me a hypocrite again. What a shock!!!!

    I love it. You are completely at a loss to discuss the policy, so you are left only with your ad hominem.

    Libertarians argue against the use of force to deny the American people the ability to control access to their own property. You argue FOR the use of government force to deny them this ability. The policy difference is black and white.
    Explain the policy? You seem to forget what this was about and it was NOT a policy - but rather the record of you saying one thing but doing another. Nice try at deflection though.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Limited opposition as in there is legitimate use for it or blanket oppose it's wrong under all conditions?
    Wrong under all conditions.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Explain the policy? You seem to forget what this was about and it was NOT a policy - but rather the record of you saying one thing but doing another. Nice try at deflection though.
    Wow, how surprising. You're calling me a hypocrite again. More ad hom because you can't justify the policy you support of using force to deny the American people the ability to control access to their own property.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Wrong under all conditions.
    Except the conditions which permit you to use all the infrastructure and things built with the power you profess to condemn.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Wow, how surprising. You're calling me a hypocrite again. More ad hom because you can't justify the policy you support of using force to deny the American people the ability to control access to their own property.
    Your own actions and words place that label upon you like a placard to be read by others.

    The Founders provided us with eminent domain right in the Constitution. It has helped provide this nation, the states and communities with the ability to build valuable infrastructure and advance our way of life with schools, hospitals, airports, ports, terminals, government buildings like police departments and fire departments, health centers, and uncountable other valuable public service centers serving the American people for the last two plus centuries.

    The Founders were wise enough to know that one individual cannot be allowed to use the ruse of private property to stop a hospital or such places to advance the larger community.

    It is too bad that you pretend to feel otherwise.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your own actions and words place that label upon you like a placard to be read by others.

    The Founders provided us with eminent domain right in the Constitution. It has helped provide this nation, the states and communities with the ability to build valuable infrastructure and advance our way of life with schools, hospitals, airports, ports, terminals, government buildings like police departments and fire departments, health centers, and uncountable other valuable public service centers serving the American people for the last two plus centuries.

    The Founders were wise enough to know that one individual cannot be allowed to use the ruse of private property to stop a hospital or such places to advance the larger community.

    It is too bad that you pretend to feel otherwise.
    Yes, I am well aware that, to the statist, the ends justify the means. If you want something that belongs to someone else, you advocate taking it by force. What an exceedingly civilized policy.

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