View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    38 33.04%
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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    That's it? all the other stuff and that's it? You couldn't even answer the simple question that didn't even have any possible bias?
    What other stuff do you believe is needed for me to reply to?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why do statists believe that the only progress is MORE Servitude and More Dependency. My vision of progress is children becoming adults and throwing off the need to have government serve as their parents
    I have no idea as I am not a statist who believes that. When you find one please post their answer.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Yeah, yeah, yeah. You think I'm a hypocrite. Whatever.

    I also am very glad that you have yet again reached that brick wall where you are out of actual policy arguments and have to attack me personally for my so-called hypocrisy. You always end up there eventually.


    It is not what I think but rather what you have said about the conflict between what you pretend to profess belief in and the contrary nature of your own personal behaviors and actions. It is that which makes you hypocritical and not my opinion of you.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Which is more important: the "right" to discriminate, or freedom from discrimination?

    Remember, you can't have both. If a business refuses to serve someone because he's black, and he refuses to leave and the business calls the cops to enforce their "right"...it is at that moment that we have government-enforced racism.

    Is that really what we want?
    There is no freedom from discrimination no matter how badly we want it. That freedom does not exist except in the mind. Each and every one of is discriminated against each and every day, mostly without malice and on occasion with. You cannot avoid discrimination, you will be discriminated against till the day you die. We ALL will. Even god discriminates. Are you a sinner? Have you worshiped lately? Nature is the ultimate discriminator. Darwin's law anyone? Only the fittest survive. How about when the orcas play volley ball with the baby seals. Or a mother binging to her kittens a live mouse to play with and eventually eat. What kind of prey do most predators prefer, the young, the infirm. They don't go after the healthy prey unless they have to. There is always going to be discrimination whether from nature or humankind. The reason is simple yet profound. We are each unique individuals, with a unique and individual view of the world, and also individual and unique needs. From that unique perspective one cannot help but be discriminatory. We ALL have preferences and will choose those preferences generally FIRST. You the freedom to discriminate is the freedom of choice. So when we say what is more important the "right to discriminate" or the "freedom from discrimination", what we are really saying is do we have the "right to choose" or the "freedom from choice". That is a very difficult freedom to take away, as you will always have a choice and therefor you will always be discriminatory. Discrimination IS choice, non discrimination is the lack thereof. I shall leave it to you to choose.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What other stuff do you believe is needed for me to reply to?
    Well there was the missing word in the last quote. I don't know what his position is
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Have you missed the last 6 years of defend Obama no matter what? Perhaps you aren't paying attention.
    If you'd paid attention to the OTHER side of the story, you'd have found a lot of times when liberals and progressives like myself strongly criticized Obama for what he did or didn't do (like I did in this article). In fact, if you'd search around, you'd find a few times where we liberals and progressives were complimentary towards Dubya, particularly in his efforts to curb AIDS in Africa.

    Here's a short list:
    The Atlantic
    Washington Post
    Liberals praise Bush appointee
    Dennis Kucinich praises Bush
    Breitbart acknowledges a progressive praised Bush for immigration reform efforts

    On the flip side of the coin, can you find instances of where conservatives were complimentary towards Obama? I think you know the answer to that one, don't you? In fact, that's what a scientific study found - that conservatives are MUCH less likely to write something complimentary about Obama than liberals are to write something complimentary about Bush.

    But here's the problem - you won't believe me. Not for a moment will you believe me. Why? Because you've convinced yourself (despite all the evidence to the contrary) that we liberals and progressives are "hive-mind", and that if we on the Left were really objective people, we'd be calling for Obama's head. It is simply too much for you to believe that liberals might be every bit as objective as conservatives.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is not what I think but rather what you have said about the conflict between what you pretend to profess belief in and the contrary nature of your own personal behaviors and actions. It is that which makes you hypocritical and not my opinion of you.
    Wow, you're calling me a hypocrite again. What a shock!!!!

    I love it. You are completely at a loss to discuss the policy, so you are left only with your ad hominem.

    Libertarians argue against the use of force to deny the American people the ability to control access to their own property. You argue FOR the use of government force to deny them this ability. The policy difference is black and white.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Well there was the missing word in the last quote. I don't know what his position is
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    I would like to see almost any non-incorporated business not providing a limited vital public service free to discriminate for just about any reason they choose, including race, sexual behavior, gender (there are only two,) age, ethnicity or political affiliation.

    Non-discrimination requirements could be applied as the State sees fit when a commercial enterprise seeks a charter of incorporation.

    Forced deceny is indecent.
    You say you're from a small village in Alaska. I grew up about eight miles from a very small town in the MS Delta. When I was there, the only doctor in tow still had "white" and "colored" entrances to his office. The signs were painted over a solid green, but paint doesn't hide inch-deep chiseled words too well. This was in 1984, twenty years after the Civil Rights Act.

    In the summer of 2012, I visited my family's house there again, and I noticed that there was not a single Obama bumper sticker or campaign sign or t-shirt to be seen...which was pretty odd since Sunflower County, MS, is 71% black. One would think there'd be Obama signs everywhere, right? So I talked to a black friend of mine there named Eddie (who knew I'd become a bleeding-heart liberal) why there were no Obama signs, and he looked back at me - sad, sad eyes - and said, "Pete, you know why". And he was right - I did know why. Any black person there who was so 'uppity' as to display an Obama sign would find himself out of a job pretty quickly, or his family member(s) would. That's just the way it is there.

    What I'm getting to is that racism is still strong in America - it's more common than you might think. And if people are allowed to discriminate, then that gives legitimacy to their racism. Is that really what you want?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    I really doubt that the Dems have any conservatives. Libertarians maybe and likely, but conservatives. Naw. GOP also has libertarians BTW. But since you made the claim, who are you saying is conservative in the Dems. Or do you just mean more conservative than the party even while less conservative than the GOP?
    Blue Dog Conservatives.
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