View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your personal opinion is noted but rejected as contrary to legal and political reality in the current USA.

    The horrors of the Gilded Age basically come down to one key factor: government being firmly on the side of the rich and powerful allowing them to exploit, abuse and run roughshod over the American people. This was manifested in all manner of public policy especially in the all important of labor law which determined the economic health of people.
    So right now we now have a government that has the power to rape the constitutional rights of people as long as doing so is approved by the masses. We have advocates of massive government claiming that the rich should grovel in order to keep what they earned and that most of our natural rights-as guaranteed in the bill of rights only are what the government says they are

    sounds like the guilded age was not as bad as the left wing claims.



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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    You know very well what I'm referring to. The GOP has zero liberals in office nationwide, whereas the Democratic party certainly does have both liberals and conservatives (though we certainly have more liberals than conservatives).
    I really doubt that the Dems have any conservatives. Libertarians maybe and likely, but conservatives. Naw. GOP also has libertarians BTW. But since you made the claim, who are you saying is conservative in the Dems. Or do you just mean more conservative than the party even while less conservative than the GOP?

    Quote Originally Posted by ginwood View Post
    who says the cops have to be called about it, anyway? He leaves or the morgue wagon can be called, he can take his pick, and it shouldn't matter if he's purple polka dotted. It's private property and the owne has told you to leave, you LEAVE, or else you never go anywhere, ever again.
    Sorry as has been pointed out before, by the very people arguing for personal property rights no less, the right to life trumps presonal property rights. It's only when your life or safety is threaten that you are no longer violating another's right. Unless you really are anarchist, then anything goes.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You could always exercise your ultimate right to find a nation more to your liking.
    Or we can excercise the right to change this one for the better. Also our right.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is nonsense.

    we libertarians want the government to act in the areas where it was properly delegated the power to do so. and that may or may not be in our "best interests" for a given action.
    Indeed, by actually getting the personal property right and freedom of association fully recognized, we may well find ourselves on the discriminated end as a business says, "no whites" or "no geeks" or "no redheads" or whatever. The actual freedom is more important than any advantage we recieve.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why do I find people who want to destroy American society and take us back to the gilded age horrors to be loathsome and despicable? Its a bit of a self explanatory situation.
    Subjective view. No basis in reality. What was that about a 101 class?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You openly such things as the exercise of eminent domain but freely and willingly use and enjoy the benefits from those powers. So your so called "opposition" are just crocodile tears which are meaningless compared to your true actions.
    Is that suppose to be support or opposes?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Yeah, yeah, yeah. We all know that you think I'm a hypocrite. Whatever. I don't really care what you think of me.

    I do care, however, when people wish to use the force of government to deny the American people the ability to control access to their own property.
    When you admit your own actions and they show blatant hypocrisy they also show that your words are meaningless next to the contrary actions.

    Your last comment is ample evidence why Libertarians should change their name to Propertytarians.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    So right now we now have a government that has the power to rape the constitutional rights of people as long as doing so is approved by the masses. We have advocates of massive government claiming that the rich should grovel in order to keep what they earned and that most of our natural rights-as guaranteed in the bill of rights only are what the government says they are

    sounds like the guilded age was not as bad as the left wing claims.
    Of course you would sympathize with the evils of the Gilded Age. No shock there as the conditions then - both economic and political are very much in tune with your ideology today. Thank you for admitting it.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post

    Or we can excercise the right to change this one for the better. Also our right.


    Of course you have that right. So how is the effort to turn the clock back more than a century and a half going?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Of course you would sympathize with the evils of the Gilded Age. No shock there as the conditions then - both economic and political are very much in tune with your ideology today. Thank you for admitting it.
    Wrong as usual. I sympathize to a time where the federal government had not expanded so far beyond the intent of the founders. Most of problems you whine about could have been alleviated by state action rather than raping the tenth amendment



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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    When you admit your own actions and they show blatant hypocrisy they also show that your words are meaningless next to the contrary actions.
    Yeah, yeah, yeah. You think I'm a hypocrite. Whatever.

    I also am very glad that you have yet again reached that brick wall where you are out of actual policy arguments and have to attack me personally for my so-called hypocrisy. You always end up there eventually.

    Your last comment is ample evidence why Libertarians should change their name to Propertytarians.
    Yes, libertarian respect the property of their fellow man. For example, they would never use the force of government to deny the American people the ability to control access to their own property. Libertarianism is all about respecting the person and property of one's fellow man.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Of course you have that right. So how is the effort to turn the clock back more than a century and a half going?
    why do statists believe that the only progress is MORE Servitude and More Dependency. My vision of progress is children becoming adults and throwing off the need to have government serve as their parents



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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Of course you have that right. So how is the effort to turn the clock back more than a century and a half going?
    That's it? all the other stuff and that's it? You couldn't even answer the simple question that didn't even have any possible bias?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Wrong as usual.
    actually you provided the statement proving I was right about your love of the Gilded Age

    sounds like the guilded age was not as bad as the left wing claims.
    So your statement that I was wrong was wrong.
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