View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    1- get over it... its the law of the land and the policy of no shirt no service does not negate that Americans have a right to public accommodations. You are grasping at very flimsy straws which fall apart.

    2 - Civil rights are not based on actual rights? okay I will play along... what the heck are "actual rights"?

    3 - Taxation deprives people of the fruits of their labor every day. So what? That is authorized by the society we live in and the peoples government. So we most certainly have a right to the labor of others in the real world USA we live in.

    4 - If you want to see which groups are protected classes, I would advise you look up the Civil Rights laws to satisfy your curiosity.
    1 - Stupid argument. Just there are other ways in which people can be denied service. You made an absolute statement, and have thus had to augment it. But even someone exercising a right can be denied service.

    2 - Life, liberty, and property form the basis of rights.

    3 - Just because there is taxation doesn't mean that there are no limits

    4 - So your outrage is limited to only those people you feel deserve to be "protected" and can thus commandeer the labor of others against their will. Nice.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    How do you know its legit?
    These things tend to be processed through contract and government. All you're doing is playing a very stupid argument here somehow trying to throw into contest the very concept of property, which has been well established for several hundred years.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So your outrage is limited to only those people you feel deserve to be "protected" and can thus commandeer the labor of others against their will. Nice.
    Outrage!?!?!?!? What outrage? All I am doing is explaining Reality 101 to you.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You mean the site which refers to many ways the GOVERNMENT can help you prove you own the land?
    Yes. And you advocate that the law interfere with the ability of your fellow American to control who has access to his property. In my book that's unethical and unjustified. A person ought to be able to control who has access to the property he owns.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    You have a right to not be discriminated against by the government in the sense of free speech, religion, public services, etc.

    Individuals should have the right to discriminate in their personal lives and business. Forced servitude is wrong and should be an illegal infringement on the individual rights of the person/business owner.

    Both are important and I wouldn't say one is more important that the other.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Outrage!?!?!?!? What outrage? All I am doing is explaining Reality 101 to you.
    No, what you're doing is trying to set up a one way street in order to support the discrimination you like while using the guns of government against that which you do not. There's no real consistency and all you have is appeal to authority....logical fallacy.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    These things tend to be processed through contract and government. All you're doing is playing a very stupid argument here somehow trying to throw into contest the very concept of property, which has been well established for several hundred years.
    So let me get this straight: government is the one which can provide a definitive determination to who actually owns property and you are willing to accept governments word on that and abide by the governments laws regarding that but when government decides other issues of property ownership and how it is to be used all the sudden its the mean old government which should stay out of your business?

    Got it loud and clear.

    Typical libertarian hypocrite wanting it both ways as it suits them.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, what you're doing is trying to set up a one way street in order to support the discrimination you like while using the guns of government against that which you do not. There's no real consistency and all you have is appeal to authority....logical fallacy.
    Its an appeal to reality. I get why libertarians don't recognize it for what it is.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So let me get this straight: government is the one which can provide a definitive determination to who actually owns property and you are willing to accept governments word on that and abide by the governments laws regarding that but when government decides other issues of property ownership and how it is to be used all the sudden its the mean old government which should stay out of your business?

    Got it loud and clear.

    Typical libertarian hypocrite wanting it both ways as it suits them.
    What a stupid argument. Libertarians are not anarchists, there is legitimate use of government and contract is part of it.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Its an appeal to reality. I get why libertarians don't recognize it for what it is.
    No, it's appeal to authority, perchance it's time to learn your logical fallacies. Stupid arguments and emotional lashing out is not going to change it.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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