View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    This link might be of assistance.
    I have no idea what you meant by that.

    I ask you again - you claim to own property and with it comes certain rights. How do you know you own the property?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What does any of the stuff you just wrote have to do with the right of an American to be served at public accommodations when they are protected by civil rights laws? Of course you can be refused service for something like no shoes or lack of clothes - but that is NOT what we are talking about.......... and you darn well know it.

    And that is the right that is violated.
    That's not what you said. You said all Americans, which includes the dude without a shirt. You do not have right to a man's property or labor, forcing labor against will is typically unjust use of force. The civil rights you talk of are not based on actual rights. If someone doesn't make a cake, you have no right to demand that they do. While there are certainly cases were refusal of service infringes upon the rights of another, it is not universal. You do not have right to someone else's labor.

    But how far is this "right" of yours go? You've already amended it from the absolute statement you made earlier, what groups can be discriminated against in service?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have no idea what you meant by that.

    I ask you again - you claim to own property and with it comes certain rights. How do you know you own the property?
    Bill of sale.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Y'know, if one group does not allow dissenting opinions (like today's GOP) whereas the other group certainly does have dissenting opinions (like today's Democratic party), that sorta blows away the "hive-mind" claim.

    Just because you think about a terrible-sounding accusation doesn't mean the people you don't like are guilty of that accusation.
    Have you missed the last 6 years of defend Obama no matter what? Perhaps you aren't paying attention.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Perhaps in the right wing noise machine that is what you hear...
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    Have you missed the last 6 years of defend Obama no matter what? Perhaps you aren't paying attention.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have no idea what you meant by that.

    I ask you again - you claim to own property and with it comes certain rights. How do you know you own the property?
    I have already provided you the information you requested. If that doesn't answer your question then I'm afraid I don't know.

    You want the government to interfere with the ability of your fellow American to control who has access to his property. In my book, that's unethical and unjustified. A person ought to be able to control who has access to the property he owns.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Perhaps in the right wing noise machine that is what you hear...
    Except there are people from all sides that can see whats happening, even noted leftists. But being a voice counter to the chorus wont stop the hive.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's not what you said. You said all Americans, which includes the dude without a shirt. You do not have right to a man's property or labor, forcing labor against will is typically unjust use of force. The civil rights you talk of are not based on actual rights. If someone doesn't make a cake, you have no right to demand that they do. While there are certainly cases were refusal of service infringes upon the rights of another, it is not universal. You do not have right to someone else's labor.

    But how far is this "right" of yours go? You've already amended it from the absolute statement you made earlier, what groups can be discriminated against in service?
    1- get over it... its the law of the land and the policy of no shirt no service does not negate that Americans have a right to public accommodations. You are grasping at very flimsy straws which fall apart.

    2 - Civil rights are not based on actual rights? okay I will play along... what the heck are "actual rights"?

    3 - Taxation deprives people of the fruits of their labor every day. So what? That is authorized by the society we live in and the peoples government. So we most certainly have a right to the labor of others in the real world USA we live in.

    4 - If you want to see which groups are protected classes, I would advise you look up the Civil Rights laws to satisfy your curiosity.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Bill of sale.
    How do you know its legit?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    I have already provided you the information you requested. If that doesn't answer your question then I'm afraid I don't know.

    You want the government to interfere with the ability of your fellow American to control who has access to his property. In my book, that's unethical and unjustified. A person ought to be able to control who has access to the property he owns.
    You mean the site which refers to many ways the GOVERNMENT can help you prove you own the land?
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