View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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  • The Right to Discriminate

    38 33.04%
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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Again - you attack me and pretend you are doing nothing of the kind. Talk about your weak debate skills!!!!

    I think what you resent and what brought about this negativity in your posts is my assertion that it is a form of mental illness or delusionary state for one to believe in something that is clearly contrary to everyday reality when all the other evidence tells you your belief is simply folly. I suspect that hits far too close to home for you so you express yourself as you have done striking out at me.

    Look - you or anybody can claim to have all the rights you want and you can claim to have always had them. But reality is that if the government of the nation you have chosen to live in DOES NOT recognize those rights, you simply do not have that right. That is just reality. To then cling to the fiction that you really do have the right but its just on some sort of break or its not being exercised is just nonsense. It is the way a deluded mind structures defense mechanisms to live with beliefs that are clearly contrary to reality but with which they are unable to rid themselves of because they want to believe and their beliefs are central to them - in this case an entire political belief system.
    "Try to elevate your debate beyond seeing everything as a personal attack." Well, I did ask, but I suppose I didn't have the right to do so. So if you think I'm attacking you but claim I'm pretending that I'm not. If I truly am not attacking you, would that make you delusional? Or do you just consider anyone who disagrees with you an attack? If that is your definition, I guess I am attacking you. Either way, my discussion with you on this thread is over.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Yes I own property - my house and lot. There is a difference between a home and a business. When one opens a business to the public, they have to abide by the laws covering that area of life.
    Yes, he has to abide by the laws that prevent him from controlling access to his own property.

    You want the government to forcefully interfere with our right to determine who has access to our property.

    I do NOT believe that it is only my will giving me 100% control over property I may own.
    Why not? It's your property isn't it?

    I live in a nation and have placed myself under the laws of that nation because I believe there are benefits in return for doing that. Balance..... balance .... balance .... just like in other things.
    Collectivist claptrap.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    "Try to elevate your debate beyond seeing everything as a personal attack." Well, I did ask, but I suppose I didn't have the right to do so. So if you think I'm attacking you but claim I'm pretending that I'm not. If I truly am not attacking you, would that make you delusional? Or do you just consider anyone who disagrees with you an attack? If that is your definition, I guess I am attacking you. Either way, my discussion with you on this thread is over.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Yes, he has to abide by the laws that prevent him from controlling access to his own property.

    You want the government to forcefully interfere with our right to determine who has access to our property.



    Why not? It's your property isn't it?



    Collectivist claptrap.
    How do you know you own this property in the first place?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Having been exposed - you retreat. Understandable.
    Ignoring your childish response, the discussion is still over with you on this thread.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Orwell wrote about leftists. You are very hive minded, and things dont mean what they say, they mean what they ought to mean. Its a fascinating pathos, really.
    Y'know, if one group does not allow dissenting opinions (like today's GOP) whereas the other group certainly does have dissenting opinions (like today's Democratic party), that sorta blows away the "hive-mind" claim.

    Just because you think about a terrible-sounding accusation doesn't mean the people you don't like are guilty of that accusation.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Yes, he has to abide by the laws that prevent him from controlling access to his own property.

    You want the government to forcefully interfere with our right to determine who has access to our property.



    Why not? It's your property isn't it?



    Collectivist claptrap.
    Um, would you please show me any nation where people have 100% control over their property?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Which two parties are you referring to? My first instinct is the two dominant political parties, but there is enough lack of context here that you could be talking about the two side on this argument.
    You know very well what I'm referring to. The GOP has zero liberals in office nationwide, whereas the Democratic party certainly does have both liberals and conservatives (though we certainly have more liberals than conservatives).
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    How do you know you own this property in the first place?
    This link might be of assistance.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Ignoring your childish response, the discussion is still over with you on this thread.
    Nothing could be more childish than saying we are finished and then lying about that posting yet again to call me childish? A last worder it would seem is one of your traits.
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