View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    38 33.04%
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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The reason some do not care about freedom from unjust discrimination is they're white and suffer no such threat on a societal level. The world ends at their nose.
    That's probably true . Guilty as charged.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    That's not assuming ownership. That is a leap. He still gets to keep the money for his labor and if he wants to express his hatred, he is free to contribute that money to any hate group he likes.
    It is assuming ownership, because you are demanding it and using the guns of government to obtain it. You are taking command of his labor and telling him what he can and cannot use it for. He owns a place, you assume access to it. He owns a cupcake, you assume ownership of it. You make demands and restrictions on property and labor and assume ownership of it. It's the only way to justify using the force of government against a man that wouldn't give you his cupcake in the first place. You're entitled to that cupcake, it's yours, and if he doesn't give it to you, well by gods you can use the guns of government to force him. That's the thought process. You should understand the ramifications of the philosophy you propose.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What do you mean you'd rather solve the problem through informed consumerism and intelligent interaction!!!?? Don't you see, only the government can save us!
    That would make some measure of sense if we could imagine that men are more than capable of being rationale and doing the right thing. As they cannot, the only thing men understand is law and the boot of the State.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No. It is at that point that we have a government-enforced right not to be discriminated against.

    If you are serving the public, you do not have (and should not have) the right to discriminate. What you do in your home, on the sidewalk, in your car, at establishments other than your own public business/organization is completely up to you. Choose to associate, not to associate, to call names, to defend . . . whatever. But when you have a business or organization that serves the public? Your right to discriminate in your business or organization is over-ridden by my right not to be discriminated against.
    You don't have a right to have people accept or like or serve you even if they are in business. I discriminate in my business who I am going to serve and who I don't. For one I don't serve gang members or those I perceive to be gang members. They can sue all they want. They will NEVER be served by me or my business. My not serving you does nothing to any of your rights. Your forcing me to serve you infringes on my freedom to associate. Unless the business entity is a government made one such as a public corporation no business should cater to those they don't desire to. Its obvious as to why a government should be allowed to have its workers discriminate.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    That would make some measure of sense if we could imagine that men are more than capable of being rationale and doing the right thing. As they cannot, the only thing men understand is law and the boot of the State.
    Mmmm, so people can't rule themselves, thus we must have aggressive, forceful government make people behave the way you define to be right. Nice.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    A history of refusing service to Pollocks would in fact be an unacceptable discrimination. However if you only discriminated against one Pollock, with no dialog to say otherwise, it'd be assumed it was for some other acceptable reason.
    Ah, now that makes sense. Would being a Polish left-handed smoker qualify as an acceptable reason? I mean, everyone knows that only left handed people who smoke have problems in getting along in society - and who needs problems like that, with everything else we are expected to cope with today! That's just too much to ask!

    Greetings, Summerwind.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Mmmm, so people can't rule themselves, thus we must have aggressive, forceful government make people behave the way you define to be right. Nice.
    Precisely. Liberal sentiments can only go so far.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    You don't have a right to have people accept or like or serve you even if they are in business. I discriminate in my business who I am going to serve and who I don't. For one I don't serve gang members or those I perceive to be gang members. They can sue all they want. They will NEVER be served by me or my business. My not serving you does nothing to any of your rights. Your forcing me to serve you infringes on my freedom to associate. Unless the business entity is a government made one such as a public corporation no business should cater to those they don't desire to. Its obvious as to why a government should be allowed to have its workers discriminate.
    You can discriminate against gun owners too. In many places with lax gun laws, a property or business owner can outlaw firearms on their property. Got a gun? Go elsewhere. That's discrimination too, and it's perfectly valid.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    How is that doctor a slave Henrin
    Because the law forces them into labor to satisfy another's needs

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It is assuming ownership, because you are demanding it and using the guns of government to obtain it. You are taking command of his labor and telling him what he can and cannot use it for. He owns a place, you assume access to it. He owns a cupcake, you assume ownership of it. You make demands and restrictions on property and labor and assume ownership of it. It's the only way to justify using the force of government against a man that wouldn't give you his cupcake in the first place. You're entitled to that cupcake, it's yours, and if he doesn't give it to you, well by gods you can use the guns of government to force him. That's the thought process. You should understand the ramifications of the philosophy you propose.
    That's just ridiculous. No one is forcing you out of a cupcake. As a merchant, your job is to sell goods and services not to discriminate. If at any time you don't want to sell goods anymore, you are free to stop.

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