View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Seriously? How is that any better a response than them telling us to try discriminating and seeing where it gets us?
    Meh, i'm tired of argueing. Sides, you can't really argueing with someone that doesn't believe people have rights unless the government grants you the privilege of having one.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    No, not all of America. Just laws that violate the ability of a person to control access to his own property.

    But I have learned what to expect. You have shown yourself to be very happy to violate the person and property of your fellow man.
    You seem to hate America, its people and the government which they have chosen to both represent them and pass laws in their name. What sad misfortune did this to you?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    You are demonstrating the moral certainty of a government employee. You deny that slaves had the right to assert freedom because the government at the time did not recognize their claim. That is the flaw of your claim and your second flaw is that you refuse to acknowledge it. Let's be factual, a right is only something you have if you can defend it. I don't have the expectation that government cannot make a mistake and sometimes it takes a bit of noise for government to recognize that, if someone felt strongly enough. As a former government employee, I don't think you can appreciate that. Pity.
    You make no sense. In your blind desire to attack me you ramble nonsense and gibberish.

    If you do not have a right to exercise then you simply do not have that right. Period. Only a deluded mind wallowing in mental illness creates a contrary reality to the real one and inhabits that fantasy world.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No we don't. There are plenty of circumstances in which people may be denied services. You have no right to another man's property or labor. So what rights are violated? Given that service can and IS denied to patrons, that you do not have the right to the labor of others, what gives you the authority to use the guns of government to command the labor of others?
    Our many state and federal civil rights laws say otherwise.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

    I have already previously explained to you what rights were violated. Did you not read? Perhaps the problem here is that you do NOT want people to have the right to be served in public accommodations regardless of race or nationality or gender or other factors and so you yourself have deemed in your belief system that such a right that is in American law is NOT a right in your mind or belief system?

    And you know perfectly well that the peoples government has the right to enforce the law - even with guns if necessary. There is nothing new or shocking or radical about that.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Our many state and federal civil rights laws say otherwise.

    Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I have already previously explained to you what rights were violated. Did you not read? Perhaps the problem here is that you do NOT want people to have the right to be served in public accommodations regardless of race or nationality or gender or other factors and so you yourself have deemed in your belief system that such a right that is in American law is NOT a right in your mind or belief system?

    And you know perfectly well that the peoples government has the right to enforce the law - even with guns if necessary. There is nothing new or shocking or radical about that.
    Oh yeah? So no one has been kicked out of an establishment then without violating law. No one has ever been refused service without violating law. Interesting. I wonder how far you take this aggression against the labor of others.

    You did not explain what rights were violated, you just made a ridiculous blanket statement with no backing.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You seem to hate America, its people and the government which they have chosen to both represent them and pass laws in their name. What sad misfortune did this to you?
    Nope. Love the American people, which is why I oppose crappy laws being imposed upon them. You speak of hate, but let's keep in mind that YOU are the one who wants to point a gun in your neighbors face and deny him the ability to control access to his property.

    So do you own any property? Do you feel as if you ought to be the one who decides who is allowed on your property?
    Last edited by Federalist; 04-29-14 at 08:30 PM.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    I think I have identified the problem. Haymarket isn't making any distinction between public and private property. But then many liberals/statists/leftists/progressives/political class types don't, so we should make allowances.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I think I have identified the problem. Haymarket isn't making any distinction between public and private property. But then many liberals/statists/leftists/progressives/political class types don't, so we should make allowances.
    Haymarket believes that a man's labor is owned by the government and community.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Haymarket believes that a man's labor is owned by the government and community.
    Not just his labor, but his body and all his property. If "the people's government" decides it wants you or your property, you're **** out of luck. Whatever "the people's government" does is right, by definition. Scary, scary collectivist claptrap.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Yes, I have done so. And I've explained that my reason for such a stance is that I regard it as unjust to violate the body or property of your fellow man in order to coerce him to trade with someone against his will.
    And I supposed they remained your friend?

    Mm-hmm...riiiiiight.

    Here's something I learned that really surprised me: the more one tells the truth, the more one is able to discern the ring of truth when one hears it or sees it. It's by no means infallible, but it's surprisingly effective. The point being, you might be telling the truth...but it sure as heck doesn't look like it. However, there's enough possibility (remote though the possibility may be) that you might not be lying...and that's the only reason I'm not calling BS on your claim.
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