View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    that makes no sense....what did he not write?



    He didn't write that Black people and women could be free, with the same rights that white men who owned land claimed for themselves.

    Try reading the original U.S. Constitution. Very educational.




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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    People cannot strip rights away. Otherwise they are not Rights, but privileges.
    Actually people can indeed decide what rights a society has and what they do not have. If not people - then who? Fifty foot high gods in the sky dispensing rights like candy given to trick or treaters costumed on Halloween?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yeah, actually you do have them, they are just being violated.
    If you do not have rights to exercise and they are not acknowledged by the government of your country - pretending that you have rights is a self imposed delusion indicative of mental illness and a denial of reality.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post



    So it is your assertion that rights are only the result of legislation and as such can be removed at any time(via proper legislative procedure)?
    Rights come about because enough people in a society decide that they want a certain behavior protected by government as a right so they exert enough power or influence to get just that. It is very very simple and a matter of what the people want and what they can compel government to do.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If you do not have rights to exercise and they are not acknowledged by the government of your country - pretending that you have rights is a self imposed delusion indicative of mental illness and a denial of reality.
    I certainly hope you don't think that because slaves prior to 1865 in the US did not have rights that they weren't mentally ill by claiming any rights. After all, their rights were not acknowledged by the government of their country. Or that gays in states without the right to marry are mentally ill either for claiming the right to marry.

    Claiming someone having a mental illness seems to be a very slippery slope to me. Pretty soon they are claiming it of you.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually people can indeed decide what rights a society has and what they do not have. If not people - then who? Fifty foot high gods in the sky dispensing rights like candy given to trick or treaters costumed on Halloween?
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If you do not have rights to exercise and they are not acknowledged by the government of your country - pretending that you have rights is a self imposed delusion indicative of mental illness and a denial of reality.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Rights come about because enough people in a society decide that they want a certain behavior protected by government as a right so they exert enough power or influence to get just that. It is very very simple and a matter of what the people want and what they can compel government to do.
    So in your opinion no one has Rights. Just privileges that people let other people have. That explaines alot of your posts. And its a good thing SCOTUS disagrees with you.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Governments are constructs of people. I dont understand what you are driving at here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So in your opinion no one has Rights. Just privileges that people let other people have. That explaines alot of your posts. And its a good thing SCOTUS disagrees with you.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Not at the expense of all other rights. And therein lies the problem with the views of the propertytarians in this thread. They begin with the assumption that property rights are above all others and are without limit or are not subject to legislation by government. And that is the bridge too far.
    Property rights are not above all, force may be exercised in some situations depending on which rights are threatened or violated. But no one has right to another's property or labor. So what rights are being infringed?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Governments are constructs of people. I dont understand what you are driving at here.
    Yes, governments are constructs of people. Rights are not. Haymarkets posts are essentially saying that no one has Rights. People only have privileges that other people can give or take away.

    Rights are inalienable and exist regardless of government.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    I certainly hope you don't think that because slaves prior to 1865 in the US did not have rights that they weren't mentally ill by claiming any rights. After all, their rights were not acknowledged by the government of their country. Or that gays in states without the right to marry are mentally ill either for claiming the right to marry.

    Claiming someone having a mental illness seems to be a very slippery slope to me. Pretty soon they are claiming it of you.
    A self imposed delusionary state where you convince yourself you actually possess something when reality indicates that you do not is indeed a sign of mental illness.
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