View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    38 33.04%
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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    No, it's not. Can an ER doctor turn you away if you were sick or dying because he hates your religion? No, he can't as any person selling a good or service cannot.
    Of course. He owns his labor and because of that he can very much deny whomever he feels like his service.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    You have that right, in your private business or private life, just not if you're a public business.
    No, in all cases whatsoever.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Of course. He owns his labor and because of that he can very much deny whomever he feels like his service.
    And this is why we have laws ladies and gentlemen.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Why? If a person is low on gas and is near the only gas station in town that says 'No Blacks Allowed' and your black, that would be fine?
    Depends on the situation. Likely that wouldn't happen as consumerism would keep those places out of business. But again, a cupcake is not an emergency appendectomy.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    And this is why we have laws ladies and gentlemen.
    Because we need people to be slaves?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Depends on the situation. Likely that wouldn't happen as consumerism would keep those places out of business. But again, a cupcake is not an emergency appendectomy.
    No, it's not but what does that say to people? Imagine a child wanting a simple drink at a water fountain and being denied because he/she is black. It happened and could easily happen again if we took those laws off the books.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    The problem with that concept is, it doesn't work. It simply. does. not. work.

    Why? Business A says "no blacks"...so no blacks (and a significant amount of whites) don't go in there...but enough whites who are either racist or somehow want to defend their brand of libertarianism go in there to keep it afloat. This WOULD happen in the Deep South, because there's more than enough white racists (like those in my own family) who would keep that business afloat.

    So racist Business A stays afloat. The blacks get ticked off and open racist Business B that says "no whites". All of a sudden more whites go to whites-only...and more blacks go to blacks-only...and it spirals downhill from there. And we're back to a capitalistic form of Jim Crow.

    Not only that, but black person C decides he's going to refuse to leave racist Business A...and so racist Business A calls the cops who wind up forcibly removing black person C...and all of a sudden we have not only government-ENFORCED racism, but race riots just like those we had in the 1960's...except for now the blacks have a LOT more guns than they did then.

    Is that really, truly where you want to go? You can dream all day about how you think it OUGHTA be...but there's a big difference between the way things oughta be...and the way things would be.
    People either have the freedom to believe what they want and to act upon their believes or they do not. What others believe or want is not important, freedom for the individual is. Why should a person, white, black or other ever want to go someplace they are not welcomed. Your black person C is obviously a socialist thinking asshole and not only should be removed, but should be shot for trying to force his views on others and take away a persons freedom of expression.

    No, the police are not enforcing racism, they would be enforcing trespass laws.

    Government does not exist to enforce on person beliefs upon another, it exists to protect the freedoms of every individual, regardless of their beliefs.

    You're correct about the difference in the way things should be and the way they are. After all, Socialist types, like progressives, should never been allowed to force their views on others.
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Because we need people to be slaves?
    How is that doctor a slave Henrin

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    No, it's not but what does that say to people? Imagine a child wanting a simple drink at a water fountain and being denied because he/she is black. It happened and could easily happen again if we took those laws off the books.
    Well you're going to have to be responsible and consume in a way that discourages those practices. If a man owns a bakery, that's his bakery. If he makes a cupcake, that's his cupcake. Why do you assume ownership of other people's property and labor?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well you're going to have to be responsible and consume in a way that discourages those practices. If a man owns a bakery, that's his bakery. If he makes a cupcake, that's his cupcake. Why do you assume ownership of other people's property and labor?
    That's not assuming ownership. That is a leap. He still gets to keep the money for his labor and if he wants to express his hatred, he is free to contribute that money to any hate group he likes.

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