View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    38 33.04%
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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    That's BS. You asked me a question and I answered it. My direct answer was no one has a right to trump another's. Even on your property, you still don't have a right to harass or discriminate against me as a person. All people have inalienable right's.
    Not BS. Through out this whole thread you have tried to use different words or phrases everytime one of them got shot down. You went from "People have a right to not be discriminated against", to "Liberty", to "Human Rights". That is a fact that anyone can read through the thread and see for themselves.

    As for "inalienable rights". You're right, everyone does have inalienable rights. Freedom from discrimination is not one of them. Which is not even a right at all but a privilege. If it were a right then everybody would be forced to hang out with people that they do not like...whether its because of race or not. For the simple fact that "Freedom from discrimination" means freedom from discrimination against EVERYTHING. And then there's the other reasons that I have already stated multiple times. I'm tired of re-stating them all the time so you'll just have to go back and re-read those parts.

    Btw, this makes it the fourth time that you have tried to use different words/phrases to try and uphold your stance.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Same thing can be said about a person given the choice in a place of business to leave his property or engage in sex. The person can simply exercise their rights to walk off the property because no force was used. A choice was given. The issue was not force but power. The power to make this person walk from their job.
    An employee has no right to an employer's property other than what is agreed between the employer and employee. Nor does the employer have any right to an employee's labor other than what is agreed between the employer and employee. The employer should have the right and ability to terminate that employee and that employee should have the right and ability to leave his position for whatever reason. There should be no forced servitude involved. The employee needs or wants money or other compensation and is willing to work for it; the employer needs the employee's labor/expertise/ability and is willing to pay for it. It is a win win arrangement for both.

    Likewise a customer needs the product or service offered by a business and is willing to pay for it, and the business owner needs money and is willing to trade products or services to get it. Again a win win arrangement for both. But the business owner has no right to demand that the customer buy his products or services and the customer should have no right to demand that the business owner provide them.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And if you think you have rights that your government does not recognize - you are living in fantasy land.
    So when blacks believed that they had rights that the US government did not recognize, they too were living in a fantasy land? Well then it just goes to prove that fantasies can come true!
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Not BS. Through out this whole thread you have tried to use different words or phrases everytime one of them got shot down. You went from "People have a right to not be discriminated against", to "Liberty", to "Human Rights". That is a fact that anyone can read through the thread and see for themselves.

    As for "inalienable rights". You're right, everyone does have inalienable rights. Freedom from discrimination is not one of them. Which is not even a right at all but a privilege. If it were a right then everybody would be forced to hang out with people that they do not like...whether its because of race or not. For the simple fact that "Freedom from discrimination" means freedom from discrimination against EVERYTHING. And then there's the other reasons that I have already stated multiple times. I'm tired of re-stating them all the time so you'll just have to go back and re-read those parts.

    Btw, this makes it the fourth time that you have tried to use different words/phrases to try and uphold your stance.
    That's ridiculous. I was asked to explain my points which I did.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    An employee has no right to an employer's property other than what is agreed between the employer and employee. Nor does the employer have any right to an employee's labor other than what is agreed between the employer and employee. The employer should have the right and ability to terminate that employee and that employee should have the right and ability to leave his position for whatever reason. There should be no forced servitude involved. The employee needs or wants money or other compensation and is willing to work for it; the employer needs the employee's labor/expertise/ability and is willing to pay for it. It is a win win arrangement for both.
    In the same vein, an employee has no right to have a job yet we have laws to protect employees from sexual harassment. So, yes, people have no right to a job or buying an item in a private place of business, but they are given protections against such things as sexual harassment and discrimination.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    No, a place of business is not the same thing as an exclusive club or your back yard.
    Upon what basis are you discriminating between a place of business and a home? What differentiates them in your mind?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Upon what basis are you discriminating between a place of business and a home? What differentiates them in your mind?
    A place that is made for public accommodations.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    A place that is made for public accommodations.
    And why does the owner of a place made for public accommodations have less rights, in your mind, than any other owner of property? Why are you discriminating against that person but not others?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    And why does the owner of a place made for public accommodations have less rights, in your mind, than any other owner of property? Why are you discriminating against that person but not others?
    .....because of the nature of the power structure.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    .....because of the nature of the power structure.
    So you want to discriminate against some people and use force to take away their rights because of the nature of the power structure. Thanks for explaining. It's all perfectly clear now.

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