View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    38 33.04%
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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Property doesn't just mean tangibles, but it also encompasses a person's body and whole being as his property.
    notice..... i said exercisable right again..........when you enter my property, i cannot take your life, and i cannot take your liberty, ..meaning to enslave you....those are not exercisable rights.

    but the exercisable rights you do have, are no longer rights once you enter my property, they become privileges, which i can allow or not allow you to exercise.

    so some property owners will allow a citizen to bear a fireman on his property and others will not....the owners is allowing you the privilege of bearing a fireman, because you cant excise a right , only a privilege the owners allows you as long as you on his property.

    so you have no rights except your life, not being enslaved or me using force,theft/ fraud on you.......and you have no power to demand i do anything for you.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    notice..... i said exercisable right again..........when you enter my property, i cannot take your life, and i cannot take your liberty, ..meaning to enslave you....those are not exercisable rights.

    but the exercisable rights you do have, are no longer rights once you enter my property, they become privileges, which i can allow or not allow you to exercise.

    so some property owners will allow a citizen to bear a fireman on his property and others will not....the owners is allowing you the privilege of bearing a fireman, because you cant excise a right , only a privilege the owners allows you as long as you on his property.

    so you have no rights except your life, not being enslaved or me using force, fraud on you.
    First, explain to me why you can't sexually harass me even on private property?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    First, explain to me why you can't sexually harass me even on private property?
    the law looks at that as a .....force of asserting myself on you.

    the point is.......... i cant do things to you!

    if you were to exercise speech in my business, against my wishes ...i cant stop you by physical action, i have to call the police.

    if you take an action ..... like freedom of travel, and ..were to go into the back room of my store, say my business office, where there is money, of say my child in back there, i can interpret that as a threat...and use force on you.

    but when you pose no threat........ i am powerless, if you exercise a right without my wishes.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    notice..... i said exercisable right again..........when you enter my property, i cannot take your life, and i cannot take your liberty, ..meaning to enslave you....those are not exercisable rights.

    but the exercisable rights you do have, are no longer rights once you enter my property, they become privileges, which i can allow or not allow you to exercise.

    so some property owners will allow a citizen to bear a fireman on his property and others will not....the owners is allowing you the privilege of bearing a fireman, because you cant excise a right , only a privilege the owners allows you as long as you on his property.

    so you have no rights except your life, not being enslaved or me using force,theft/ fraud on you.......and you have no power to demand i do anything for you.
    The thing is, most people sitting here claiming "no discrimination" don't really mean it. I asked Rabbit quite some time ago how far her absolute towards no discrimination really went. She couldn't answer. Which is telling. What they are really saying is "no discrimination that I don't like, but there are certainly other forms of discrimination that I will endorse".

    In the end, once you move away from government protecting natural rights and into morality, practically anything can be excused for any reason. Turns out government is not a moral institution.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The thing is, most people sitting here claiming "no discrimination" don't really mean it. I asked Rabbit quite some time ago how far her absolute towards no discrimination really went. She couldn't answer. Which is telling. What they are really saying is "no discrimination that I don't like, but there are certainly other forms of discrimination that I will endorse".

    In the end, once you move away from government protecting natural rights and into morality, practically anything can be excused for any reason. Turns out government is not a moral institution.
    correct... people will be for things which violate the rights of other people, if it suits them......this shows people are self-serving creatures

    yes, if people accept the government is the tool of mortality, then its our master.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    That's BS. You asked me a question and I answered it. My direct answer was no one has a right to trump another's. Even on your property, you still don't have a right to harass or discriminate against me as a person. All people have inalienable right's.
    So, if I chose to invite Kal'Stang and all the other neighbors to my backyard bar-b-que and discussion group, and decide you wouldn't fit in well, you would be excluded via discrimination. Do you think you would have the right to invite yourself? And if I told everybody else not to bring you, you might feel I was harassing you, but do you think you would have legal recourse against me?

    The right to our persons and our private property, our right to association and not to associate if we choose not to, ARE unalienable rights that the Founders risked all that they had to recognize and defend.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the law looks at that as a .....force of asserting myself on you.

    the point is.......... i cant do things to you!

    if you were to exercise speech in my business, against my wishes ...i cant stop you by physical action, i have to call the police.

    if you take an action ..... like freedom of travel, and ..were to go into the back room of my store, say my business office, where there is money, of say my child in back there, i can interpret that as a threat...and use force on you.

    but when you pose no threat........ i am powerless, if you exercise a right without my wishes.
    Right, like tell me to get off your property unless I engage in sex with you. That property, in this context, is being used as a place of business where things like harassment and discrimination are not seen as unalienable rights.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    So, if I chose to invite Kal'Stang and all the other neighbors to my backyard bar-b-que and discussion group, and decide you wouldn't fit in well, you would be excluded via discrimination. Do you think you would have the right to invite yourself? And if I told everybody else not to bring you, you might feel I was harassing you, but do you think you would have legal recourse against me?

    The right to our persons and our private property, our right to association and not to associate if we choose not to, ARE unalienable rights that the Founders risked all that they had to recognize and defend.
    No, a place of business is not the same thing as an exclusive club or your back yard.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    No, a place of business is not the same thing as an exclusive club or your back yard.
    Business is still private property.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Right, like tell me to get off your property unless I engage in sex with you. That property, in this context, is being used as a place of business where things like harassment and discrimination are not seen as unalienable rights.
    well as i stated, if i am using coercion a form of force, intimidation on you to get you to do what i want, and that is illegal.

    but as a customer....i just refuse to deal with you, but use no force on you, and ask you to just leave......you have no case.

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