View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    38 33.04%
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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    I think that you have a major equivocation in your argument. In my dictionary discrimination does not equal racism. One may discriminate against a multitude of behaviors and cultural practices without holding a bit of racist animosity. Secondly, there should be a distinction in the question between institutional discrimination (enforced by governmental statute or power) and an individual who discriminates.
    Discrimination on the basis of skin color IS racism.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Point is under due process all are treated the same. The property owner who feels he has a right to violate another person due to race can have his day in court along with the person who was refused service. The judge will decide.
    And how does this judge acquire the right to violate the body or property of your fellow man in order to coerce him to trade with someone against his will. Is this judge a person, like you and I am?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    ...but you have NOT told them, "I believe it's a human right to refuse to do business with you because of the color of your skin."
    Yes, I have done so. And I've explained that my reason for such a stance is that I regard it as unjust to violate the body or property of your fellow man in order to coerce him to trade with someone against his will.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    You may not realize this, but blacks have a centuries-long history of being enslaved by whites, followed by a century of Jim Crow (which itself was followed by thirty years of support for Apartheid in South Africa by politicians who have only recently left the scene). When blacks are denied business by whites, they will remember what they just came out of...and it's really naive of you to not expect them to react violently, because they will see their rights taken away that they suffered so long to get.

    All your arguments to the contrary are the height of naivete.
    Aww, poor babies. You do realize that at one point in time some race or another has been enslaved. Including whites. Blacks do not hold a monopoly on being enslaved. Stop acting like they do.

    Besides, this has nothing to do with slavery. Nor Jim Crow laws. As I said, blacks have just as much Right to discriminate as all other races.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Jews weren't kept as slaves throughout most of the white world for centuries, were they? And in most of the white world, they were seen as equals. In the Far East, they were valued, even protected in Shanghai during the war between Japan and China (look up the Sassoon family sometime). And have you ever heard of the Rothschilds?

    Dude, you cannot point to the Jews and say they had it worse than the blacks. The Jews were persecuted for centuries and sometimes were the victims of genocide, yes - but they were NOT slaves, were NOT seen automatically as slaves because of the color of their skin. The Jews never had to stand by and watch their little girls being sold on the auction block. Was genocide worse? Yes, of course it was...but the genocide was an EVENT that lasted for several years. Slavery, on the other hand, lasted for CENTURIES.

    Your claims about the blacks, btw, is no different from the views of Americans when the Irish and the Italians were coming to America in droves.
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    Jews were persecuted for centuries in most of europe. millions killed. most of those sold into slavery from Africa were sold by other BLACKS



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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Jews weren't kept as slaves throughout most of the white world for centuries, were they? And in most of the white world, they were seen as equals. In the Far East, they were valued, even protected in Shanghai during the war between Japan and China (look up the Sassoon family sometime). And have you ever heard of the Rothschilds?

    Dude, you cannot point to the Jews and say they had it worse than the blacks. The Jews were persecuted for centuries and sometimes were the victims of genocide, yes - but they were NOT slaves, were NOT seen automatically as slaves because of the color of their skin. The Jews never had to stand by and watch their little girls being sold on the auction block. Was genocide worse? Yes, of course it was...but the genocide was an EVENT that lasted for several years. Slavery, on the other hand, lasted for CENTURIES.

    Your claims about the blacks, btw, is no different from the views of Americans when the Irish and the Italians were coming to America in droves.
    Jews were kept as slaves in Egypt.
    Chinese were slaves in their own country.
    Whites were sold as slaves in the Arab slave trade.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    And how does this judge acquire the right to violate the body or property of your fellow man in order to coerce him to trade with someone against his will. Is this judge a person, like you and I am?
    The judge decides whose personal rights were violated. Under the law no individual's rights should be limited due to discrimination.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    The judge decides whose personal rights were violated. Under the law no individual's rights should be limited due to discrimination.
    Constitutional rights supercede any federal law granting a priviledge. No matter what a judge says.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Constitutional rights supercede any federal law granting a priviledge. No matter what a judge says.
    What in the Constitution says property rights trump personal liberties?

    Definition of liberties:

    : the freedom of the individual to do as he pleases limited only by the authority of politically organized society to regulate his action to secure the public health, safety, or morals or of other recognized social interests

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    What in the Constitution says property rights trump personal liberties?

    Definition of liberties:

    : the freedom of the individual to do as he pleases limited only by the authority of politically organized society to regulate his action to secure the public health, safety, or morals or of other recognized social interests
    When posting a definition you should probably include all of the definition that pertains to what you are talking about.

    1: the quality or state of being free:
    a: the power to do as one pleases
    b: freedom from physical restraint
    c: freedom from arbitrary or despotic control
    d: the positive enjoyment of various social, political, or economic rights and privileges
    e: the power of choice

    2 a: a right or immunity enjoyed by prescription or by grant : privilege
    b: permission especially to go freely within specified limits
    Merriam-Webster ~ Liberties

    A natural Right will always trump a civil right or priviledge.

    But aside from that a persons Right ends where another persons Right begins. No Right can trump another Right. And since no one has the Right to buy another persons property...or even be on another persons property, a buyers Right ends at the property owners private properties edge.
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