View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    38 33.04%
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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    my right to discriminate is not a civil right, its a natural right, civil rights are created by governments.....you cannot use a government created right as a tool of force on another citizen, the rest of your argument is an emotional rant.
    You make sure to try to make that argument to the cops, the press, and the judge, y'hear?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Riiiiight. You really think that if whites had been through centuries of slavery, another century of Jim Crow against whites that people still alive today would remember very well, that we wouldn't be fighting every bit as hard to not be discriminated against?
    Jews have-how much violent crime is committed by young men wearing Yarmulkes?

    You weren't talking about fighting discrimination-you talked about VIOLENCE



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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    They can also fire you if you are involved in political activities they don't agree with, if you smoke, start to gain weight, and I can't think of one thing that is off limits to them even on your own personal time. Oh, and thank you for bringing up internet and social media. The list is endless. And, you keep reinforcing my resource argument so thanks. As I illustrated they most certainly can control your actions in life and not just limited to his property. It's called authoritarian.
    when you work for a company, and you do things which reflects on them they can fire you, and again you have no exercisable rights on their property...you cannot smoke, and if weight gain effects their image, then the can fire you.

    you cannot use social media, to bash the company you work for........that is the basics of understanding working on a job!

    wrong.. a company cannot be authoritarian, because it has no hold on you , you are free to leave and seek employment else where.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    You make sure to try to make that argument to the cops, the press, and the judge, y'hear?
    excuse me, but its seems you are off topic, the op is do you have a right to discriminate or freedom from discrimination.

    your ability to not understand ..rights of the people is your problem

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    when you work for a company, and you do things which reflects on them they can fire you, and again you have no exercisable rights on their property...you cannot smoke, and if weight gain effects their image, then the can fire you.
    You can also get fired for doing stuff they don't like on your own property or someone else's property. That was my point not just they can fire you for anything on their property. That's a given. You can't even use social media to talk about things they may not like in your private life. You risk losing your job if they don't like it. Yes, you can seek employment else where and all of the above still applies. At will companies are authoritarian. There is no getting around it.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    The Civil Rights Act of 1964, which outlawed segregation and prohibited discrimination against African-Americans, was passed under the Commerce Clause in order to allow the federal government to charge non-state actors with Equal Protection violations, which it had been unable to do up to that point because of the Fourteenth Amendment’s limited application to state actors. The Supreme Court found that Congress had the authority to regulate a business that served mostly interstate travelers in Heart of Atlanta Motel v. United States. 379 U.S. 241 (1964). It also ruled that the federal civil rights legislation could be used to regulate a restaurant, Ollie’s Barbeque, a family-owned restaurant in Birmingham, Alabama because, although most of Ollie’s customers were local, the restaurant served food which had previously crossed state lines. Katzenbach v. McClung, 379 U.S. 274 (1964).
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    The commerce clause was abused in that situation. The commerce clause is supposed to only allow the government to regulate sales between the states and sales with other countries. It was never meant to regulate private businesses. It's not the first time its been abused.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Why are you arguing with me when we see the same thing on this issue?

    Public pools = taxpayer funded, city/county government run = no discrimination allowed

    We see this issue the same way. Why you felt the need to go on a rant about it is beyond me.
    Sorry, guess I misunderstood you. I apologze.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    In YOUR world, there is no right to not be discriminated against. But in the world that MOST Americans live in, we DO have a right to be free from discrimination. If you want to live somewhere that you can discriminate against others as you will, there's plenty of third-world nations where that's the norm.

    And your 'friends' claims are laughable - at NO point is there any kind of requirement that Thou Shalt Be Friends With Person X. That's just you bringing up yet another strawman.
    1: You can only speak for yourself.

    2: I've given the proof that we have that right by referenceing the Rights that apply. Where is your proof?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The commerce clause was abused in that situation. The commerce clause is supposed to only allow the government to regulate sales between the states and sales with other countries. It was never meant to regulate private businesses. It's not the first time its been abused.
    That's your opinion.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Let me qualify my remarks to follow with my 100% honest opinion that the gay person should be seated and treated no differently than any other patron; I would verbally tell the owner off and walk out of any establishment who would refuse to seat him; and I don't believe there is any moral justification for discriminating against him in that way.

    But by what criteria do we dictate to any person who he must or must not serve with a business he owns, that he took all the risks to open and finance, that he has put in his time, blood, sweat, and tears to make a success? What did that gay person (or anybody else) contribute to that success that entitles them to demand service from that proprietor?
    Other than buying what their selling? Nothing.

    Let me ask you this. Should banks, assuming most businesses have to get loans to open up, be able to dictate that said business serve everyone in order to get the loan they need?
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