View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    77 66.96%
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Thread: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discrimination?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    His will to deny business is authoritarian so fight fire with fire
    Is that a yes or a no?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Is that a yes or a no?
    Fighting fire with fire is a yes.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Fighting fire with fire is a yes.
    So you feel you have the right to violate the body or property of your fellow man in order to coerce him to trade with someone against his will. Fascinating.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    So you feel you have the right to violate the body or property of your fellow man in order to coerce him to trade with someone against his will. Fascinating.
    No, I'm not violating their body or property. Simply, they may have to risk going to court for due process.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    No, I'm not violating their body or property. Simply, they may have to risk going to court for due process.
    So you don't think that you yourself have the right to violate the body or property of your fellow man in order to coerce him to trade with someone against his will. But you think that there are other people who have such a right. In what way are these people different and special?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    when you are on another persons property, you have no exercisable rights.....you cannot pray, bear a firearm, have free speech, protest, or force me to engage in commerce with you.
    Disagree. These rights are still there and still exist. Exercising them may result in the property owner revoking your privilege to be on his property, but the property cannot remove nor prevent their exercise. I find this to be a very important distinction. You can invite me on your property. Once I am on your property, you cannot infringe upon my free speech rights. Asking me to leave because you do not like what I said when exercising my right of free speech does nothing to infringe upon that right and is well within your personal property rights. Any attempt to silence me (outside of trying to out-shout me or telling me to be quiet) while I am on your property and/or while I am leaving, however would be a violation of my free speech right and you are not legally allowed to do so.

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you dont seem to understand, each one is an exercisable right.......the right to commerce is exercisable.
    you cannot exercise a right to commerce on my property.
    This right does not exist. The right is to seek a person to engage in commerce with. Even on your own property you have no right to commerce. You still only have the right to seek someone to engage in commerce with. If they are on your property and do not wish to engage in commerce with you then there will be no commerce. You right to seek someone to engage in commerce with has not been violated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Let me condense your last paragraph: "Why can't we discriminate against gays?"

    It's the same old story - you care less about people being free from discrimination than you do your 'right' to discriminate.
    Incorrect. The method is as important as the goal. The end does not justify the means. Seeking a world free from discrimination should not be done at the cost of freedoms and rights. We seek the end of such improper discrimination through education and social pressure, not the threat of the gun via law.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Okay, guy, go ahead then - kick blacks out of your business and tell them that it's your civil right to not serve blacks in your business if you don't want to...and watch what happens.

    You won't even get any sympathy from Hannity or O'Reilly, much less from those of us on the left. You'd get less sympathy than the "Sovereign Citizen" wackos get. But don't let all that stop you, now - just go on and follow up in real life with what you're writing down here, y'hear?
    What is so funny about this is that none of us (at least as far as I can tell) would ever do something like this. Most of us have even stated as much. Our position is no different than a person being personally against abortions and yet recognizing that there is a right for the woman to do with her body as she wishes to. We might preach and protest and socially pressure for abortions and discrimination not to happen, but we don't want laws to prevent them because those laws violate rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    His will to deny business is authoritarian so fight fire with fire
    I find it amazing that you only have a problem with the denying of business in one direction.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    So you don't think that you yourself have the right to violate the body or property of your fellow man in order to coerce him to trade with someone against his will. But you think that there are other people who have such a right. In what way are these people different and special?
    Due process is
    : a course of formal proceedings (as legal proceedings) carried out regularly and in accordance with established rules and principles —called also procedural due process

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post

    I find it amazing that you only have a problem with the denying of business in one direction.
    That's not the nature of due process.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Yes, they know that I don't think I have the right to initiate violence against them or anyone else.
    No no no...come now - you're telling them how oh-so-non-violent you are, but are you telling them word-for-word that you believe that you believe business owners have a right to deny business to them because of their race?

    Are you really?

    Somehow I'm pretty sure of what your answer will be....
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are the one who seems to think that blacks are less able to control their emotions than whites.
    the government not interfering with what private businesses do is hardly government approved racism

    you need to learn what the terms mean
    Riiiiight. You really think that if whites had been through centuries of slavery, another century of Jim Crow against whites that people still alive today would remember very well, that we wouldn't be fighting every bit as hard to not be discriminated against?
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