View Poll Results: What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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    38 33.04%
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    77 66.96%
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    No, but if you are open for business and I am acting ethical, I should not be denied the right to a business transaction based on my skin color.
    DOES NOT MATTER.

    you cannot come into my store, and do what you want.

    you cannot come in and BY FORCE......hold a prayer service, protest me, call me nasty names, have a firearm, force me to do anything for you....your are on my property.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    Ok. On one hand, a person should be able to run their business any way they want and let the free market sort it out, which is the usual argument.

    On the other hand, if say a gay person lives in a predominantly religiously zealous community and they are refused service at a restaurant, the likelihood that all the restaurants in the area are holding the same discriminant mindsets are pretty high and well, quite frankly, a person shouldn't have to leave their hometown to receive any kind of service.
    Let me qualify my remarks to follow with my 100% honest opinion that the gay person should be seated and treated no differently than any other patron; I would verbally tell the owner off and walk out of any establishment who would refuse to seat him; and I don't believe there is any moral justification for discriminating against him in that way.

    But by what criteria do we dictate to any person who he must or must not serve with a business he owns, that he took all the risks to open and finance, that he has put in his time, blood, sweat, and tears to make a success? What did that gay person (or anybody else) contribute to that success that entitles them to demand service from that proprietor?
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    DOES NOT MATTER.

    you cannot come into my store, and do what you want.

    you cannot come in and BY FORCE......hold a prayer service, protest me, call me nasty names, have a firearm, force me to do anything for you....your are on my property.
    Only I'm not there for any of those proposes. I'm there for the same reason 100% of your consumers are there doing. Only you have the power to discriminate and refuse my service. There is most definitely a structure of power that does not exist at all with government services since the government cannot discriminate. As of now, neither can a private owner. If groups like Cato succeed in their zeal to overthrow Civil Rights Law they may find themselves in a situation that may make it harder to privatize all things that exist in the name of freedom of choice. They will have to be called out on their blatant lies.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Only I'm not there for any of those proposes. I'm there for the same reason 100% of your consumers are there doing. Only you have the power to discriminate and refuse my service. There is most definitely a structure of power that does not exist at all with government services since the government cannot discriminate. As of now, neither can a private owner. If groups like Cato succeed in their zeal to overthrow Civil Rights Law they may find themselves in a situation that may make it harder to privatize all things that exist in the name of freedom of choice. They will have to be called out on their blatant lies.
    you dont seem to understand, each one is an exercisable right.......the right to commerce is exercisable.


    you cannot exercise a right to commerce on my property.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you dont seem to understand, each one is an exercisable right.......the right to commerce is exercisable.


    you cannot exercise a right to commerce on my property.
    Obviously, you didn't bother reading my last post.

    Edit to add:
    If groups like Cato succeed in their zeal to overthrow Civil Rights Law they may find themselves in a situation that may make it harder to privatize all things that exist in the name of freedom of choice. They will have to be called out on their blatant lies.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Obviously, you didn't bother reading my last post.
    you stated " i am not there for those purposes".....all i have done is make a simple statement about rights .................which you push aside and don't address........do you say...."yes i understand i dont have an exercisable right on your property" .........NO. you shug it off, and act like you don't see it.

    again, you rabbitcaebannog cannot come on to my property and exercise any right, make any demands on me, apply force to me to do what YOU what done, ... for any reason at all.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you stated " i am not there for those purposes".....all i have done is make a simple statement about rights .................which you push aside and don't address........do you say...."yes i understand i dont have an exercisable right on your property" .........NO. you shug it off, and act like you don't see it.

    again, you rabbitcaebannog cannot come on to my property and exercise any right, make any demands on me, apply force to me to do what YOU what done, ... for any reason at all.
    Let me cut and paste some more:
    Only you have the power to discriminate and refuse my service. There is most definitely a structure of power that does not exist at all with government services since the government cannot discriminate. As of now, neither can a private owner. If groups like Cato succeed in their zeal to overthrow Civil Rights Law they may find themselves in a situation that may make it harder to privatize all things that exist in the name of freedom of choice. They will have to be called out on their blatant lies.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Let me cut and paste some more:
    do you rabbitcaebannog accept the fact, you cannot exercise anyone of your rights.......on my property?


    emotionalism-----If groups like Cato succeed in their zeal to overthrow Civil Rights Law they may find themselves in a situation that may make it harder to privatize all things that exist in the name of freedom of choice. They will have to be called out on their blatant lies.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Let me qualify my remarks to follow with my 100% honest opinion that the gay person should be seated and treated no differently than any other patron; I would verbally tell the owner off and walk out of any establishment who would refuse to seat him; and I don't believe there is any moral justification for discriminating against him in that way.

    But by what criteria do we dictate to any person who he must or must not serve with a business he owns, that he took all the risks to open and finance, that he has put in his time, blood, sweat, and tears to make a success? What did that gay person (or anybody else) contribute to that success that entitles them to demand service from that proprietor?
    Let me condense your last paragraph: "Why can't we discriminate against gays?"

    It's the same old story - you care less about people being free from discrimination than you do your 'right' to discriminate.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Let me condense your last paragraph: "Why can't we discriminate against gays?"

    It's the same old story - you care less about people being free from discrimination than you do your 'right' to discriminate.
    so what your saying is, people should be free of bad behavior by other people...AT the expense, of those other peoples....RIGHTS.........so in your mind.......RIGHTS COME SECOND....even though the constitution puts them FIRST.

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